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by David Krough and AP

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Posted on February 1, 2010 at 12:56 PM

Updated Tuesday, Feb 2 at 11:43 PM

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Should plastic bags be banned in Oregon?

SALEM, Ore. -- A plan to get plastic bags out of Oregon grocery stores could get the attention of lawmakers this session.

Senator Mark Hass (D-Beaverton) drafted a bill banning plastic grocery bags. SB 1009 would allow stores to offer only paper and reusable bags for customers. Read the bill (PDF)

Senate President Peter Courtney said Monday the Legislature would not address the bill in a February special session, but changed his ind Tuesday and said he was open to the idea -- if lawmakers and industry representatives can find common ground.

A hearing was scheduled for Tuesday afternoon.
(To share your opinion on the plastic bag issue, vote in the poll at right.)

Both house and senate have given themselves until the end of the month to finish the special session then go home.

Asked about the bill at a news conference Monday, Courtney had indicated the bill was going nowhere. But his latest word on the issue says the "door is open" if sponsors can find a "path together" with industry.

The bill is still considered a long shot, but is getting a hearing.

Market of Choice, with stores in Eugene, Ashland, Portland and West Linn, banned the bags, but customers have access to plastic in the produce and meat departments.

Whole Foods also ditched the plastic option last year at all 270 of its stores in the U.S., Canada and United Kingdom.

Portland Mayor Sam Adams earlier bagged an idea to tax paper and plastic bags used by shoppers, citing the current condition of the economy was not the time to add a new tax.

Adams wanted to charge 5 to 20 cents per plastic or paper bag to encourage shoppers to use reusable cloth sacks.

 

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elorentzen said on February 9, 2010 at 9:22 PM

KGW censors me because I criticize their reporting. There are more important stories than plastic bags. I guess this junk sells advertising.

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kajor said on February 4, 2010 at 12:57 PM

I voted no because I reuse the plastic bags I get at the store for trash, lunches and packaging. If you ban plastic bags at stores you are just going to cause me to have to purchase plastic bags, which will get one use instead of two. Isn't it better that they get two lives instead of one?

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jburnside1256238 said on February 4, 2010 at 11:54 AM

I am surprised at how close this is. What are the people who are voting "no" thinking? Single-use plastic bags will be the death of us. Do they not know about the ginormous trash gyres in both the Pacific and Atlantic? C'mon people! Wake up! There are so many alternatives out there!

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jburnside1256238 said on February 4, 2010 at 11:54 AM

I am surprised at how close this is. What are the people who are voting know thinking? Single-use plastic bags will be the death of us. Do they not know about the ginormous trash gyres in both the Pacific and Atlantic? C'mon people! Wake up! There are so many alternatives out there!

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washcomom said on February 4, 2010 at 9:42 AM

Why not do what others are doing? Bring them back in for another turn at carrying groceries? Frankly, the added post-consumer plastics added back into the newer bags are making them quite weak, and hence the double bagging again. Unless someone invents the total enviro-friendly corn-made or hemp-made plastic bag that can biodegrade in a year, this law doesn't seem to have any life of its own.

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baronie said on February 3, 2010 at 3:20 PM

Give up the "Evil oil" angle all you Bush hatters. No oil in these bags. Get the facts

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chezzy said on February 3, 2010 at 12:00 PM

This clearly is an important issue that needs to be addressed. I am so glad that the legislature is so concerned about grocery bags. I have a problem with my Comcast remote control, I think this should be a point for further discussion also. How about the legislature go home...I'd rather we pay these morons not to go to work.

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notsocasual said on February 3, 2010 at 11:45 AM

One more perfect example of mis-direction and all the more reason to NOT allow annual sessions. Every other year is quite enough for them to muck up enough stuff.

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qwertyuser said on February 3, 2010 at 8:59 AM

Get ready for more sales tax talk too. A sales tax can fix everything, just look at California and Washington, sales taxes can work! sigh

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jenjenxoxo said on February 3, 2010 at 8:39 AM

Good God. really??? You want to WASTE time over this matter when unemployment and underemployment is at an all time high and Oregon will be losing businesses??

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rtgriffi2003 said on February 3, 2010 at 5:50 AM

How about we choke the life out of these lawmakers who vote for this bill by putting one of those plastic bag over their heads and suffocating themselves. People need to be more responsible with plastic bags. We don't need a bill that bans grocery bags. We need a ban on those who are stupid enough to throw their plastic bags in lakes and rivers. People are stupid. That's why there are laws.

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nielg said on February 3, 2010 at 1:28 AM

I recycle them i grind them up and make bubble gum out of them and sell it to the democrats i make about $ 300 a day

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cutcutcut said on February 2, 2010 at 11:57 PM

Too much social engineering. Too much socialism. Too much communism. Too much environmentalism. Oregon SUCKS!

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grumpy12 said on February 2, 2010 at 7:27 PM

Oh, the other issue.... LEGISLATING GROCERY BAGS. I'm dang glad we don't have any more important issues to address. What about all those ball point pens that go to landfills??? Pencils sure seem to be better for the environment.... let's call a special session to resolve this crisis!!! And hey... wouldn't horse drawn carriages be better for the environment than internal combustion engines??? But then, Pres. Barry couldn't be touring the world in his fleet of jets. Dang!

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grumpy12 said on February 2, 2010 at 7:20 PM

Plastic has a half life of forever... paper does break down. BUT, I actually look at paper bags as being made out of paper!! Those paper bags that aren't used to corral my newspapers for recycling, go empty into the recycling. Look at your paper grocery bag as being old bags renewed... and who doesn't love an old bag?!

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bigscott said on February 2, 2010 at 7:16 PM

Not that many years ago paper bags were the most evil thing, now it is plastic. I feel that this should NOT be a law, if people who are concerned about plastic bags don't want to use them, more power to them, but this is not the place for more government control, let people be responsible for themselves!!!

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nielg said on February 2, 2010 at 5:57 PM

what do ya think condoms are made of barbed wire

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jimbodeenee said on February 2, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Getting rid o plastic bags that don't break down for a century in landfills is a no-brainer. This is also one more step of ridding the United States dependence on foreign oil. These bags are made from petroleum products, and make our dependence on middle-eastern countries even stronger. The more things like this that go away, the better the chance that we can take control of our country again. Look at the big picture before you spout off about losing the convenience of plastic bags, good grief people.

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bobmaginnis said on February 2, 2010 at 5:55 PM

Unfortunately, the reality is that paper isn't better than plastic. One hundred million new plastic grocery bags require the total energy equivalent of approximately 8300 barrels of oil for extraction of the raw materials, through manufacturing, transport, use and curbside collection of the bags. Of that, 30 percent is oil and 23 percent is natural gas actually used in the bag-the rest is fuel used along the way. That sounds like a lot until you consider that the same number of paper grocery bags use five times that much total energy. A paper grocery bag isn't just made out of trees. Manufacturing 100 million paper bags with one-third post-consumer recycled content requires petroleum energy inputs equivalent to approximately 15,100 barrels of oil plus additional inputs from other energy sources including hydroelectric power, nuclear energy and wood waste. reason.org/news/show/1003006.html

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samadamsleftnut said on February 2, 2010 at 5:24 PM

This is another fine example of why we have such a distrust of politicians.

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goducks95 said on February 2, 2010 at 5:11 PM

So, this is the most pressing issue facing our state? Do I laugh or cry? 11% unemployment anyone?

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finer said on February 2, 2010 at 4:51 PM

When we were in Yuma you see these bags all over the desert. They are called Walmart wind socks. Senator Haas should go to pasture and come up with something important.

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finer said on February 2, 2010 at 4:37 PM

This is a total joke, I am not opposed to getting rid of plastic bags. But to bring this up in a special session tells me these people in the legislature are wasting our time and money. It clearly show they should not meet more than every two years. If they do they will come up with brain dead ideas to raise fees or taxes on the rest of us. This is the perfect time for them to adopt a bill to come up with term limits. We need new blood and common sense not waste.

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aliens_300c said on February 2, 2010 at 4:06 PM

I won't be able to build my giant plastic-bag air balloon :(

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cutcutcut said on February 2, 2010 at 3:56 PM

Hey, speakthelie, your government is going to engineer YOU. What do you think about that?

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news_junkie60 said on February 2, 2010 at 3:46 PM

Sam and his idiots need to go!!! Taxing this and taxing that has to stop. How about we tax the leadership of Portland 1000% of their salaries. That might give them the hint that taxing is a bad thing in a recession. Those of us who don't have cars and r out in the rain with "paper" bags, have a difficult time transporting our purchased goods home. We need *options*. Plastic is an option. I'd challenge anyone on the CIty Council to use a wheelchair and carry things home in the rain.

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betsyross said on February 2, 2010 at 3:07 PM

I can not believe how silly this is. If it is so vitally important to get rid of plastic bags, try giving tax breaks to businesses that don't use them. You'll get rid of them really fast but I'll bet it is not that important.

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charlie_brown said on February 2, 2010 at 2:59 PM

What I don't get is what the "emergency" hub-bub is all about. This is an unscheduled legislative session, for what? "Oregon legislators went back to work on Monday, beginning a four-week session expected to touch on budget repair, job creation and aid to people hurt by the recession." What does this have to do with plastic bags at the checkout counter? And, who is paying for this "special session" anyway? Plastics in our landfills... this touches on a meriad of Envrionmental Quality issues (including but not limited to): metals, chemicals, styrofoam; all filling up our landfills. Plastic bags are just the tip of the iceberg leading to a whole other debate distracting the legisltors away from budget repair, job creation and aid to people hurt by the recession. Perhaps we can put people back to work figuing out what to do with our garbage. Now there's an idea.... Hmmmmm!!

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adamg said on February 2, 2010 at 2:46 PM

I am tired of seeing plastic bags in storm drains and flying around in nature. I think that the Adam's Approach would be better then an outright ban, just tax them and let the grocers seek reimbursement for giving away canvas bags. I don't want to see people using oil on something that they use ones, is easily destroyed, and has a long waste stream on it. These things last a very long time -- paper degrades, plus, being that this is Oregon, it would be better to use paper because it supports local industry. I applaud the Sen Hass on this because we are taking a small step but we are making progress at 1) oil demand destruction 2) saving our environment 3) saving wild life 4) stopping the floating garbage in the oceans 5) making people be more sustainable

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kas28 said on February 2, 2010 at 2:24 PM

What a giant waste of taxpayer money and the limited time in the Legislative Session. Government needs to stay out of it!

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168091 said on February 2, 2010 at 2:13 PM

the cost of pushing these issues is ridiculous!! It wasn't too long ago that paper bags were so "bad" and wasting trees, etc. They were better for the environment than the plastic bags. And who's to know whether it's a one-time use bag? I have many uses for the plastic bags (as well as the paper bags). Get on with life ... we don't need more stupid laws for things like this. What a waste of time!! SO many more serious matters out there.

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pices31400509306 said on February 2, 2010 at 2:08 PM

Yes I am in favor of a ban on plastic bags!! They are terriable for our enviroment!

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jake40 said on February 2, 2010 at 1:45 PM

Time to lift the logging restrictions to make more paper bags! Sounds like more jobs to me, but the enviro`s want their cake and eat it too.

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rachel72 said on February 2, 2010 at 1:21 PM

I completely agree Lunablue. We had to take a trip to the Arlington dump for a class I was taking. They have to put up these fences that catch blowing debri. Mostly just plastic bags clinging to the fence. It's unfortunate there are so many people that could care less. For some people it is just to hard to see the "big picture" and beyond their own immediate gratification.

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jimbo96 said on February 2, 2010 at 1:09 PM

Let the consumer and the retailer decide what kind of bag to use. Paper bags have there own environmental cost and reusable bags can have health issues if used for food, which can contaminate the bag, and allow bacterial growth which then transfers to anything put into the bag after the initial contamination. Plastic bags are used because they are the most economical way to package groceries and other goods. Government is responsible for quite a large percentage of everything we buy already thru various taxes, fees, regulations and rules that increase the cost to the consumer, and that is one thing the politicians seem to forget, their "ideas" cost people money. Where is the line where freedom of choice gives way to the draconian edicts of a few, and just how close are we getting when politicians don't have anything else better to do than to try to micromanage the entire population, an inch at a time.... Just say no to politicians trying to alter your ability to make a free decision.

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speakthetruth said on February 2, 2010 at 12:53 PM

Plastic bags are not the guilty party. People are. The bags do not become toxic as they slowly degrade in the environment due to exposure to the sun, water, microbes and extreme temperature swings. The precursor chemicals from which bags are made are often toxic, but this does not indict the bags, or plastics in general. Folks who cannot keep track of the bags they take away from stores are causing the negative impact of bags on the environment. Ships dump their garbage at sea, which includes all kinds of plastics, including bags...The purpose of plastic bags, in many cases, is to identify a shopper as a purchaser rather than a thief, rather than to enable a purchaser to transport purchases safely. This causes a surfeit of bags. As a reuser of plastic bags for my trash, I am opposed to banning these bags and in favor of engineering a way to make us humans more responsible in our conduct regarding plastic shopping bags.

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highrollerrick80 said on February 2, 2010 at 12:27 PM

Seriously - this is what lawmakers are wasting thousands of our tax dollars a day debating! There are so many bigger problems to find solutions for! It makes me think that Sen. Mark Hass has no real solutions or time to think about the budget... that he'd try to shift focus to something so ridiculous as this... at a time like this. I'm all for tackling this issue another time -- but we've got bigger issues people. Stuff like this makes me lose faith in those we elect - I wish other lawmakers would call him out! Ghad!

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cutcutcut said on February 2, 2010 at 11:58 AM

I'll dump my cat litter in the yard waste container or the recycle container. You people are out of control. Live free or die.

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cutcutcut said on February 2, 2010 at 11:56 AM

Police State

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patrickt said on February 2, 2010 at 10:38 AM

Some of us reuse those bags for trash bags rather than buying new plastic trash bags. Isn't that better for the enviorment? Give the consumer the choice.

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thewacee said on February 2, 2010 at 10:28 AM

You people make me laugh at how you pick and choose what "tax dollar waste" you like to bi&$h about...whine whine whine whine whine

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portland said on February 2, 2010 at 12:17 AM

I'll give you my plastic bags when you take them from my cold, dead hands!

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corporate_rancor said on February 1, 2010 at 11:25 PM

Glenn Beck/Pat Robertson clones cannot be told anything. So whytellyou? Your a hard-headed racist.

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sotellme said on February 1, 2010 at 6:34 PM

projectgreenbag said- "This is not a government attempt to tax every bit of our lives." No, not in and of itself, but it IS part of the overall plan to do so. _______ "Using a reusable is not about avoiding the tax, it's about saving our planet, and in the end, our own lives." NEWSFLASH: Eliminating plastic bags will NOT save the planet or ANY species. In fact, ALL of the accumulative actions taken by human beings over the entire history of earth for the purpose of "saving the planet" will have absolutely NO effect on the longevity of the planet or the continued existence of life thereon.

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lunablue said on February 1, 2010 at 6:26 PM

I understand there is a hearing on this bill tomorrow. So... does that mean this article is incorrect by saying this bill is not getting lawmakers' attention?

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projectgreenbag said on February 1, 2010 at 5:57 PM

For those who disagree with a tax: This is not a government attempt to tax every bit of our lives. Let's stop acting dramatic about this issue and get educated on the facts. People will always choose the easiest option, even if that means the contributing to the destruction of marine life and their own. Unless there is a tax, plastic bags will never go away. It needs to be easier to take a reusable bag than use a plastic one. For those who agree: Good for you for caring about about the environment. Using a reusable is not about avoiding the tax, it's about saving our planet, and in the end, our own lives.

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mennesker said on February 1, 2010 at 5:51 PM

At least i won't have to answer to "plastic or paper ?" Anymore.

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portland said on February 1, 2010 at 5:28 PM

I can only assume that most of the comments about this story are there to get a reaction. You guys really don't see the benefits of getting rid of plastic bags?! Seriously?!?

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lunablue said on February 1, 2010 at 5:23 PM

Oops, sorry - the link I meant to post before was: http://www.reusablebags.com/facts.php?id=2

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silvercookie said on February 1, 2010 at 5:12 PM

Reusable cloth sacks, right I can see it now how many does the average person have to have of those to get their groceries home. I think the grocery stores should just stop getting the plastic make sure the paper ones are sturdy enough not to tear when over loaded by the over zealous box person.. Why does the government have to get involved in every facet of our lives let's use our heads for something besides keeping our spines from unraveling. Lawmakers need to get a grip and start acting like they know what in the world they are doing.

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veganpeace said on February 1, 2010 at 4:39 PM

As a proud member of the PGRSV tribes, we loudly encourage the banning of these insidious plastic WMD's. Millions of fish and wildlife have already died and are on the cusp of extinction as a result cruel asphyxiation of these horrible devices (with the full approval of Bush/Cheney/Reagan and Alex Trebek) polluting our waterways and the land (stolen from the Native peoples by agents of Bush). Outside of providing hats and outerwear for the homeless, these crude bags serve are nugatory.If I am forced to shop in KKKapitalistic stores , I bring my own Mother-Earth friendly carrying bags made from recyclable banana leaves.Just last week, I thoroughly enjoyed the frustration of the Neo-KKKon clerks and customers angrily waiting in line when I put two handfuls of organic spinach on the conveyor belt. By my actions, I demonstrated that I would not trade my convictions by using unconscionable plastic bags. If I have to make purchases in these monopolistic stores, I at least will be green.

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lunablue said on February 1, 2010 at 4:28 PM

This is a no brainer, and no one should have to think twice about passing this bill. Plastic bags pose a huge problem to our health and to our environment. They're made of toxic chemicals that don't biodegrade and they stick around forever - millions of them find their way into the ocean each year where they kill hundreds of thousands of marine animals. For more facts just see: http://www.kgw.com/home/Plastic-grocery-bag-ban-drafted-by-Oregon-lawmaker-83272797.html

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mcgee said on February 1, 2010 at 4:23 PM

It's good to see someone in Salem still has some common sense !! What kind of mental midget thinks a "tax" on grecery bags should be a viable issue for a 'Special Session'.

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yetti said on February 1, 2010 at 3:27 PM

jburn - My choice is plastic.. secured firmly over the head of EVERY legislator with duct tape. At this point I don't think very many would disagree.

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jburn said on February 1, 2010 at 3:14 PM

I can see why the legislature needs to be full time instead of part time (yes, they will try to change the Oregon Constitution to allow this). There are especially important issues, like this, which need their full attention. Now that they are flush with extra cash, they need a way to.. well ... flush that extra cash away with mindless micro-management of our lives. We really need to put these folks in a bag -- your choice, paper or plastic

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smallbus said on February 1, 2010 at 3:14 PM

Maybe there shouldn’t be any bags, and then what!

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sallee said on February 1, 2010 at 2:46 PM

Oh, yeah.....lets tax some more stuff. Don't they have more important issues to worry about?!?!?

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shallowend said on February 1, 2010 at 2:34 PM

You know, I can remember when there were no plastic bags in the supermarkets. I recall that life went along just fine. If this is a major issue that would decide if you vote for a candidate, you REALLY need to get a clue. I have no problem with reusable bags (winco gives you a token 6 cents a bag credit if you use them), but I don't see the plastic bags as a major big deal one way or the other.

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youngdad said on February 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM

WOW! amazingly :(

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dynamo69 said on February 1, 2010 at 1:55 PM

With the mess the State is in, some law maker wants to ban plastic bags, give me a break, I think there is some bigger issues that need to be fixed first.

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rebewebe said on February 1, 2010 at 1:53 PM

I will vote against anyone who tries to get rid of the plastic bags in grocery stores.

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jake40 said on February 1, 2010 at 1:42 PM

Wow! These morons have to go!

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delport said on February 1, 2010 at 1:26 PM

State budget in a mess, shortened session and a Senator wants to take time for this for "furthering the discussion".

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