Share this article:
Print

Beanbag cop on paid leave files stress disability claim

Click here for a free download of the latest Adobe Flash Player.

by David Krough & Kyle Iboshi

Posted on November 19, 2009 at 4:36 PM

Updated Monday, Nov 23 at 4:16 PM

******

PORTLAND, Ore. -- The Portland police officer on paid leave for firing a beanbag shotgun round at point blank range and striking a  12-year-old girl in the thigh has filed a stress disability claim, according to the Oregonian.

Christopher Humphreys was placed on leave after firing the round Saturday night at a MAX station in East Multnomah County. Police were responding to reports of a large group that included suspected gang members  leaving a party near 162nd and Halsey.

Police union president Sgt. Scott Westerman told the Oregonian that Humprhreys "was hung out to dry for three years" during a protracted internal investigation into the death of James P. Chasse Jr., 42, taken down by officers in September, 2006.

Humphreys shot the girl with a beanbag gun after she attacked officers trying to arrest her, police Chief Rosie Sizer said Thursday. Humphreys was previously investigated and cleared in the 2006 in-custody death of Portlander Chasse.

Video of last weekend's confrontation involving Officer Aaron Dauchy and Officer Christopher Humphreys was captured on a TriMet surveillance camera.

The union was scheduled for a no-confidence vote on Sizer and Police Commissioner Dan Salzman.

Watch the raw, unedited surveillance video clips: 
Clip 1
| Clip 2

“After reviewing the video, I am troubled by it," Chief Sizer said as she announced that Officer Humphreys had been placed on paid administrative leave. Sizer said the Internal Affairs Division would conduct an immediate and full investigation into whether the use of force was justified.

"The actions I witnessed on the video are not consistent with my expectations and what I believe are the community's expectations for a Portland police Officer," Police Commissioner Dan Saltzman.

A Portland Police Union spokesperson reacted angrily to the decision, saying the Police Chief and Commissioner were treating Humphreys unfairly. Union officials said they were outraged complained that the Commissioner and police chief were over-reacting because of Humphreys' involvement in another controversial case.

"Had they not already had the predetermined bias against officer Humphreys we would not be here today," Scott Westerman with the Portland Police Association said. "She was shot in the leg. That is appropriate. It's trained. It's taught."

Saltzman defended his decision to suspend the officer.  "In this situation, I saw something that I didn't think was acceptable and I wanted to act quickly to remove an officer from the street," said Saltzman.

Commissioner Saltzman added that he reviewed surveillance video of the incident and found it "disturbing."  The commissioner believes Officer Humphreys could have avoided using a beanbag gun.  "He could have used both hands to assist officer Dauchy in handcuffing her and securing her."

The police officers union argued that Humpheys did nothing wrong.  "Chief Sizer and Commissioner Saltzman are saying that this is not what is expected of a Portland Police officer.  So I have to ask, what do they expect? So they expect the officers to be assaulted?" questioned union president Sgt. Scott Westerman. 
 

Officer investigated in Chasse death
Humphreys was cleared of any wrongdoing in the 2006 death of 42-year-old James Chasse.

Chasse was tackled by officers in Old Town in September, 2006 and taken to jail. He later died on the way to a hospital.

In August, 2009, the Multnomah County Commission voted to pay the family of James Chasse $925,000 as a settlement to a civil lawsuit filed over the mentally ill man's death. The county decided not to pursue criminal charges against Officer Humphrey in the case.

Earlier In November, Police Commissioner Dan Saltzman recently recommended Humphreys be suspended for his role in the incident.

Officers were responding to large party

Investigators said just before 11 p.m. Saturday, Dauchy and Humphreys were called to a large party at 162nd and Northeast Halsey. Sizer said the party was attended by groups of suspected gang members. A gun had also been recovered from some brush in the area, officers said, and between 75 and 100 teens were leaving the party.

One group went to a nearby bus stop and were angrily shouting about wanting to fight. Portland and Gresham officers said as soon as police arrived, the group began to disband.

According to Sizer, Dauchy saw a girl who he knew had been excluded from riding the MAX as part of a group of teens that got on a train at the stop on 162nd.  When the train pulled in to the stop at 148th, police said Dauchy saw another boy he knew was on the TriMet exclusion list and took him into custody.  Investigators said as he began to take the 12-year-old girl into custody, she hit him in the face and resisted arrest.

Police said officers repeated warnings to her to stop resisting or she would be hit with a beanbag gun, Officer Humphreys fired the weapon at her thigh at close range. Investigators said "she became compliant and the officers began to take her into custody when she began to resist again."

Another officer arrived and they were able to handcuff her, and medics were told she had a bruised thigh but did not need to be taken to the hospital.

The girl was charged with assaulting an officer, resisting arrest and interfering with public transportation.

“I believe it is the best interest of the community and the members of the Portland Police Bureau to quickly act and investigate this fully. I ask the community and the media to remember that there is a juvenile involved and therefore, we are being very careful in providing the public records protection regarding her identity that is afforded to juveniles,” said Chief Sizer.

Police said they were also in contact with the girl’s mother.
 

Share this article:
Print

To add a comment, please register or login.

Leave your comment
1000 characters remaining

Submit

Remember Please be respectful of others when posting comments. Play nice. IP addresses are logged and can be banned.

HTML is not allowed.

himhandy said on November 19, 2009 at 4:44 PM

Now he is beating up 12 year old girls, fire him already !

alexsimms said on November 19, 2009 at 5:05 PM

I like it when they grab the person resisting arrest by the hair and drag them along on their horses, definitely gets the person resisting to calm down. Stupidest thing to do is resist arrest, always go without a struggle unless you want to be tased, bean-bagged, or wrastled to the ground.

ragweed_fan said on November 19, 2009 at 5:07 PM

I am so sick of the media making law enforcement out to be the bad guys. What happend to supporting the people that protect you and your family. The fact of the matter is she didn't comply with orders, and she assulted the police officer. IT WAS A BEAN BAG... From someone who has been hit with a bean bag round, (for training purposes) yeah, it hurts, it hurts like heck, but you need to do what you need to do to get the suspect detained. You weren't there, I wasn't there, so who knows, maybe the officer was justified in his actions...

schoen1 said on November 19, 2009 at 5:10 PM

That jerk should have been fired a long time ago.

tc708 said on November 19, 2009 at 5:13 PM

Humphreys and the other officers did what was necessary for the safety of that girl and everyone else on the Max. Anyone resisting and assaulting an officer deserves being tased, bean-baged or any other method that is non-lethal. How would you like to be someone on that Max when a gang fight broke out and you were in the middle of a gang war? Think about that next time you are so quick to judge an officer for serving and protecting!

brushbuster said on November 19, 2009 at 5:14 PM

The video shows an out of control person fighting with and striking the officers. Another result of failed parenting perhaps. I think the police deserve medals for putting up with this behavior day after day. Most of you complainers hate cops and pounce on them at the first opportunity. Maybe you needed a stronger upbringing yourselves! Sign up for a ride a long. Find out for yourself and quit standing up for the dirt bags.

jesuswasmexican said on November 19, 2009 at 5:19 PM

Please, that officer would tase his own baby - and probably has. Just please don't spend too much city money on "investigations". We all know he will be cleared of all and given a nice raise and/or promotion. At the very least, he could write a book - all the Palin rednecks here would buy it.

tracer2009 said on November 19, 2009 at 5:20 PM

You hit a cop while he's doing his job? What do you expect the officer to do? I haven't seen the video but am troubled by the anti-police statements here.

schoen1 said on November 19, 2009 at 5:21 PM

James Chasse was not a dirt bag and did not deserve to be assaulted and killed by the police for a mild infraction.

urimbeciles said on November 19, 2009 at 5:24 PM

Most perps are dirtbags and deserve what they get. Some aren't perps at all and don't deserve to be abused by PDX's finest. Most cops are stand up individuals and do their jobs well. Some like Humphrey's should be locked up in the general population for a few nights. Problem solved. ragweed_fan & tc708--- you morons can't read

thedriza said on November 19, 2009 at 5:37 PM

First of all she wasn't supposed to be on tri-met property at all. And you dont attack a cop while he's doing his job. After being attacked already why would the cop subject himself to further injury while wrestling her to the ground and possibly causing further injury to her (Chasse). Sure it sounds bad that a 12 year old girl was shot or hit by a bean bag round but it's better than getting beatup by a cop. Taser, beanbag round, pepper spray, whatever it takes to get a bad guy to comply is fine with me.

speakthetruth said on November 19, 2009 at 5:44 PM

Someone ought to track down the father of this young lady. It appears that he has been absent from her life for too long, resulting in her having no respect for authority figures.

theoldrebel said on November 19, 2009 at 5:58 PM

Here we go again. In any normal city this cop would be supported and there'd be no question about it. But this is Portland, where many people stumble all over themselves to support every anti-social dirt bag and crazy who resists arrest. They ought to consider themselves lucky that anyone will serve as a cop in this nutso place.

nielg said on November 19, 2009 at 5:59 PM

she's lucky to be alive the portland cops must be slippin they just kill them and do an investigation that takes three or four mounths

walter34 said on November 19, 2009 at 6:15 PM

You resist you get taken down; you can’t let a suspect gain control of the situation. First you get the “presents” just the cops being there, then “verbal” most people get the idea by this time. If not, then those lucky few get the less lethal whatever police thinks is needed. * For those who think this is out of line well go back to the 70’s, that use of force continuum could have been gun shots. By the way go ahead and try being Mr. nice guy to 15 to 50 people that want to “fight” and I mean away from that desk your sitting. COPY??

timone said on November 19, 2009 at 6:22 PM

Ok so you tackle a suspect they die later, so should he have used a taser, capstun, beanbag or just shot James? It is to bad he died but who am I to second guess an officer on the scene. As for the 12 year old, They found a gun at the scene and had around 100 people they were trying to account for. They saw a suspect who of course is an angel etc. etc.... Now if she had shot or injured the officer while resisting what would we be talking about now? But the officers are alive and she is alive. Now if you really want to question there tactics what if she had been killed while at the party? Then who would we be looking at? Thats right everyone but her parents! Police officers have tough enough job without people second guessing them all the time. I'll tell you this much had I been riding the Max when approching that scene I would have rather had 100 officers on that car than 1 disrespecting 12 year old that could have had a gun! And as for Sizer have the facts before you speak!

kaygeedub said on November 19, 2009 at 6:26 PM

None of us were there. It's not appropriate, absent the facts, to pass judgement. If he was wrong, he should be accountable. If his actions were justified, so be it. A 12-year old has the capability to inflict serious physical injury. We can't expect the officers to be assaulted. Besides, have you seen some of the 12 year olds lately? They look like they're 20! Just wait to pass judgement...it's the right course of action and everyone here knows it, whether they want to admit it or not.

nwcamera said on November 19, 2009 at 6:28 PM

THE DECENT HARD WORKING, LAW ABIDING PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY HAVE TWO CHOICES: GET THE CRIMINAL UNDERCLASS GANG PEOPLE UNDER CONTROL NOW OR FACE A WORLD LIKE "A CLOCKWORK ORANGE; IN 25 YEARS OR SO...IT IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY, IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE.

sheba1 said on November 19, 2009 at 6:34 PM

I would think that a police officer would be embarassed that he couldn't handle a 12 year old girl. Our city should beel safe in knowing that our Portland's Finest can't handle a young 12 year old girl who has very little strength against a grown police office. Hats off to Sizer. it's about time. Fire the guy. Our taxes don't need to pay for such abuse to our children.

benaround said on November 19, 2009 at 6:43 PM

Two officers, both obviously in the video more than 200 pounds. claim they could not control on small girl half their size. The video does not lie. Yes, she was resisting them Either one of them could have wrapped his arms around her and subdued her. But no... here's a chance to show how powerful we are. Shoot her with a beanbag. After one officer shot her and she fell to the ground, the other jumped on her just like they did when they killed that poor helpless mentally confused man a while back. Humphrey got away with that one by telling lies and having his buddies lie for him. but multiple broken ribs do not lie. Why can the police not weed out the cops who have to take advantage of their power over others to harm others just for the enjoyment of it.

corporatemom said on November 19, 2009 at 7:17 PM

(1) WHY was a 12 yr old girl out at 11pm? (2) She was with gang members (3) She was resisting arrest (4) She was hitting the cops......WTF is wrong with you people in Portland??? You are pathetic. This girl needs some discipline in her life - per her into military school until she's 18.

thedriza said on November 19, 2009 at 7:33 PM

Paintball guns shoot at 300 feet per second, beanbags travel at 250 feet per second

sheba1 said on November 19, 2009 at 7:37 PM

Dear Corporatemom I agree with you why a 12 year old girl is out on the street at night. But many of our children are not fortunate to have parents that are concerned as where their children are. This does not give an excuse for a well muscled policeman to harm a young girl. Some police offiers are not here to help the public but to show how much control they have. We should be proud of Chief Sizer to finally stand up to the police union. They also have too much control

corporateredneck said on November 19, 2009 at 7:42 PM

Nahhh. that girl just needs a "MRS" degree... preferably from someonme in the corporate world like me. But even then... corporate or not... if she's black, the Portland Police will kill her next time. And you rednecks will dance. But that's Oregon

jennt1977 said on November 19, 2009 at 7:53 PM

there is no excuse for her to be out and him to do this, where are the parents????too bad they didnt care where she was or who she was with, bet they do now, and watch, i bet a lawsuite will follow.....

howard_b said on November 19, 2009 at 8:48 PM

Why the surprise???? That's what these thugs are trained to do. Today they shoot a 12-year-old with beanbag, tomorrow they kill another civilian, next year, more brutality. It's the same old story. These criminals are not there to protect you. They're there to keep you in line. Get used to it!! Guess what is going to happen to him? NOTHING!!! Worst case scenario he'll get a little spanking and be transferred to another precinct. Wake up, Amerika! You're seeing examples everyday that this is not the land of the free.

howard_b said on November 19, 2009 at 8:49 PM

Why the surprise???? That's what these thugs are trained to do. Today they shoot a 12-year-old with beanbag, tomorrow they kill another civilian, next year, more brutality. It's the same old story. These criminals are not there to protect you. They're there to keep you in line. Get used to it!! Guess what is going to happen to him? NOTHING!!! Worst case scenario he'll get a little spanking and be transferred to another precinct. Wake up, Amerika! You're seeing examples everyday that this is not the land of the free.

howard_b said on November 19, 2009 at 8:53 PM

Just read some of the comments. You people are despicable. You deserve every bit of hardship and abuse that you have coming your way in the coming depression. You cowardly selfish mob!!

mike007 said on November 19, 2009 at 9:04 PM

Maybe you don't care that Officer Humphrey killed James Chasee. Maybe you don't care that Officer Humphrey shot a 12 year old child. Maybe you don't care about children and mentally ill people. Do you care about your money Portland taxpayers???? In August, 2009, the Multnomah County Commission voted to pay the family of James Chasse $925,000 as a settlement to a civil lawsuit filed over the mentally ill man's death.The county decided not to pursue criminal charges against Humphreys in the case. If Humphreys was innocent why did we pay a million bucks to Chasee's family? Let's save a bunch of blood and money and fire this rouge "Peace Officer". .

kgwisaconpuppet said on November 19, 2009 at 9:20 PM

He just "went rogue"... you know, like The Palin. He'll probably be invited to the Palin house next week for the time-honored annual tradition of drinking baby caribou blood and chanting to Satan.. I mean Raygun.

nielg said on November 19, 2009 at 9:36 PM

well if the big slob is so tuff , brave and smart he should go to Afgaistan and grab Bin laden by the ear and beat the snot out of him an leave the little thirteen year old girls alone

newstroller said on November 19, 2009 at 10:20 PM

Hind sight is always 20/20 The cops probably didn't know her age when this was going down, but what they did know was they had a 150lb 5'4 fat cow assaulting them and resisting arrest. Why wasn;t she with her parents instead of hanging out with the gangs. I think a Taser would have made a more interesting vid than a Bean Bag to the leg.

mykidskeeper said on November 19, 2009 at 10:42 PM

There was enough officer muscle there to detain the child. I agree she should have been at home,but she is still a kids. I have witnessed first hand the way Portland Police have mistreated our children. They call kids names, curse them, talk down to them, etc. The police should show some concern for OUR children, talk to them like they care. I find it ironic that people are saying she got what she deserved because she hit him. Lets change the situation and say she hit her parent and the parent hit the child back. Children services would be getting involved for child abuse, so why shouldn't this be investigated? Let me guess. The reason is, as one person put it, police protect and serve. Get real, police are human just like anyone else. They make bad decisions (especially in the heat of the moment). Who protects us from the corrupt police that have been accused of domestic violence, rape, sexual misconduct, use of excessive force, theft, etc? PROTECT OUR KIDS from police misconduct

thedriza said on November 19, 2009 at 10:48 PM

In clip #2 she looks looks just as big as one of the officers

kebler823 said on November 19, 2009 at 11:06 PM

I see another new Police Chief after the Police union steps in and wins!

rachelnichole said on November 19, 2009 at 11:20 PM

I think the officer was right! He needed to do something she was acting out of control, SHE PUNCHED AN OFFICER IN THE FACE!!!! She's lucky she didn't get tased. That girl was way out of line. Why is it people alway try to protect the person who has done wrong. He wouldn't have had to use his beanbag gun if she would not have been hostile. Or here's a thought if she wasn't being arrested in the first place!

unixpmp said on November 19, 2009 at 11:33 PM

Waht a wuss of a cop. LOLOLOLOL. She got him for all the unjustified pull overs and tickets these scums give out. They got the nickname PIGS for a reason. They are dirty at what they do.

klaube503 said on November 20, 2009 at 12:05 AM

Ya know.....if a 12 year old is going to act like an adult, they should be treated like an adult. A 12 year old knows they need to respect authority and if they don't the proper responses should be taken....What if a punch turned into her pulling a pen out of her pocket and jamming it through his eye....I know, highly unlikely, but you can't be too sure these days.....She deserved it, and if she were my child, I'd thank the officer for doing his duty...

kamerasnapper10 said on November 20, 2009 at 12:16 AM

What's wrong with this picture?

mairez said on November 20, 2009 at 12:17 AM

We don't have the facts. The officer was cleared in the unfortunate Chasse incident. Of course, KGW doesn't mention that straight away. So, all the do-gooders who blame the cops first get their minds set to convict the officer in the court of public opinion. Let's see the natty nabobs of negativism take the risks these brave officers do. And the abuse. In the first sentence, KGW tells us Humphreys was investigated. Halfway through the story, KGW tells us: "Humphreys was cleared of any wrongdoing in the 2006 death of 42-year-old James Chasse." Tabloid journalism. I hope officer Humphreys is around when I need him to protect me from a gang of punks seeking to do me harm. Dan Saltzman is a joke. He's using this as a bully pulpit.

ctuagentbauer330 said on November 20, 2009 at 12:58 AM

Whether the officer who was previously involved in a incident involving the death of a mental person who was resisting arrest or not, the issue remains the same RESISTING ARREST. The officers job is to provide a service to all the people who work in downtown Portland in their 6 figure jobs who never see a police officer until the officer is effecting an arrest and the person is resisting which forces the officer to use force. The citizens see this force as excessive however backing off when some 12 year old punk starts throwing punches towards an officer or running away will result in them being taken to the ground with the officers weight on them obviously so that there is no longer a threat to the officers life. Using a less lethal round was not needed by what i saw however it was a tool that was used and aided to the arrest without officer injury. Kudos to the Officers involved and the entire PPB and transit police division.

jaded said on November 20, 2009 at 2:27 AM

I wonder if the poor opressed young gal had a fare for her ride? Or is it a free ride for special people that have no respect for themselves, their families, community and oh, the police? As a tax payer I am tired of this garbage. Fairless square now encompasses the little area between downtown and Gresham. Would be nice if trimet funded an appropriate police section, so as to avoid the free rides on max trains and buses. Especially with the poor black youth that really seem to be at the heart of so many problems. I know thats a touchy comment, but what is the draw to guns and the total disrespect of everything! This youths reaction to law enforcement goes well beyond what society accepts, and if we cant discuss the problems with these lower income black people, this will continue. Ever take a drive on Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks or Killingsworth? The purple Yam Yam drug front laundromat and the garden hose car wash Caddy lot, this area of town is failing....

bistrka said on November 20, 2009 at 2:35 AM

Ya you bunch of jokers... What if a pen was pulled out and jabbed Humphreys in the eye? Well I would say Karma... eat it. The fact is that didn't happen, instead a 12-yr old got shot from point blank range with a bean bag rifle. I understand police acting with this type of force in a life threatening or otherwise out of control situation, but this is a 12-yr old girl. I've been hit harder disc golfing. Humphreys is a coward and needs to go back and review protocol. Anyone still defending this guy should get back in touch with reality. Arresting a teen off the trimet could get violent but not dangerous why shoot her with anything, she was unarmed.

jaded said on November 20, 2009 at 3:26 AM

I am fed up with Trimets lack of investment in policing, and investment in garbage, like fancy offices and replacing bricks at SW 6th and SW Market so that people can work. The MAX line, especially towards Gresham is EXTREMELY dangerous, not to mention the trip on the free youth riot Interstate line. As tax payers, there should be a revolt to hold these managers accountable for lackluster spending and looking the other way with regards to "special" people riding for free. I saw fare inspectors at the sunset transit center yesterday at about 8om. Seriously? Try the Interstate or Gresham toilets, you might get shot or have a black teen punch you out, but that is the real problem

bobdog said on November 20, 2009 at 4:52 AM

I'm a foster parent and I've had 12 year olds go bonkers and its no easy matter to control them. If they had put their arms around her to do so she my have tried to blame them for touching her. One harmless beanbag stopped it and noone was hurt.

paul1963 said on November 20, 2009 at 5:04 AM

Oh man, this one is a no brainer. You dont tug on Supermans cape, you dont spit in the wind. You dont pull the mask of the ol' Lone Ranger and you dont fight the cops when they are in the line of duty. All the above will always end badly for you. Whatever happened to remain calm, let them play their role and then argue your point in court? My sympathy level is pretty low for her.

changopeludo said on November 20, 2009 at 6:18 AM

WOW since i was a little kid i was told to listen to the Police, and specially not to fight them back.. so why in the world made this girl think that he can punch a cop in the face, maybe the parents of this girl should teach their doughter not to disrispect the cops and none of this would off happen.................. If parents can educate their kid at least someone will..

rsthelen said on November 20, 2009 at 6:44 AM

Great here comes another “Learning experience aka more training” when will the police department just allow their balls to drop and say “Hey we screwed up” I am sick and tired of hearing “Portland Police will use this as a training lesson” that’s all we ever hear when something goes “wrong.” Here is my thought on this; the YOUNG lady was TWELEVE years old, TWELEVE, if a grown adult (Police officer) cannot control a twelve year old HE SHOULD NOT BE A OFFICER.

woodhogg said on November 20, 2009 at 6:51 AM

I love how all these people in Portland side with the criminals. I do not care if she is 12 or 22, she is resisting arrest. She is not exactly a petite little innocent 12 year old either. If the police tell you to do something, do it. If you don't you may get tased or beanbagged. It is for there own safety. Why don't you put on the uniform and go get shot at, spit at, yelled at and swung at. Go find out how the real world on the street is instead of putting down the people who keep you safe in your little bubble everyday.

scubaken said on November 20, 2009 at 6:52 AM

The moment you as a person disobey, resist or physically attack an officer of the law, we as a society MUST support law enforcements ability to restore order and remain safe no matter how ugly and out of context the video may appear. The level of disrespect for authority i our society is so out of control that we rapidly are approaching anarchy. Why the media (and yes I know it is sensational and generates ratings) continues to attack law enforcement is beyond rationale. Our livability in this city and in sthis state are severely at risk. We are also risking even having decent people want to do this critical work we need in law enforcement at all. We should celebrate and be thankful for a person who chooses a career where they risk their lives each day, protecting us from the human garbage who cant respect our laws while simultaneously being attaced by the media for anything they do. Take time and thank a law enforcement officer for all of our sake!

paul1963 said on November 20, 2009 at 7:13 AM

Watching the video, I dont think "pretty please" would have worked on the out of control 12 year old. A beanbag in the leg? She should have been put over someone's knee and grounded for a month.

erjopa said on November 20, 2009 at 7:17 AM

This "officer's" demeanor and attitude reeks of being a bully. The video shows how me really enjoys his job of shooting and beating people. This is why Saltzman needs to get on the ball require, as part of working for the police, all officers go to anger management training and counceling. While the response for resisting is somewhat warranted, it does not excuse, nor does it entitle the police, to use such excessive force. Just because you are trained with the notion that all people are guilty and that they are all a threat, does not entitle you to act on that notion with impunity.

maholo said on November 20, 2009 at 7:34 AM

Officer Humphrey, I for one (and many others I've spoken with) am very GRATEFUL for your service in protecting those of us who are law abiding citizens from this 12-year old trash. Chief Sizemore: SHAME ON YOU! Stand byhind your officers! Were you looking at another video when you decided this was 'disturbing?' I see one suspect arrested without incident, and the second suspect a raving maniac, throwing punches and acting like a spoiled brat, possibly putting YOUR officers in the line of harm. PORTLAND POLICE ROCK!

veganpeace said on November 20, 2009 at 7:40 AM

We in the Prog/Green/Red/Statist/Vegan precincts of Portland demand that an immediate human rights violation investigation be ordered by Co-Presidents Shelly and Barack Hiram Obama into the weak actions of Police Chief Seizer for only suspending this Bush/Cheney/Reagan Ben Cartwright brute of a " peace officer." This case clearly demonstrates why across the nation, all law enforcement agents should be stripped of their weapons of both lethal capability and of Neo-KKKon sanctioned torture. Thee fact is, we progressives suggest that citizen peace patrols replace all present police. Coorectly schooled in the peace seeking tactics of Gandhi, Malcolm the 10th, and Sean Penn, within weeks crime would be eliminated and peace would reign. Moreover, the billions of dollars wasted on law enforcement could be used to combat Bush caused global warming and providing for the marginalized citizens and undocumented Americans.

spewie said on November 20, 2009 at 7:46 AM

You'll have to go to another website to learn all the details. There aren't any names listed or pictures here so I'm believing the perps were NOT Caucasian. At KGW, "White Crime is Fine". Si Se Puede!

shallowend said on November 20, 2009 at 8:00 AM

Questions to all those saying "Fire the officer!": 1) If she had gouged out the eyes of the first officer instead of punching him, what would the appropriate response have been? Since these were "well muscled officers", should they have thrown their arms around the girl? (I'd love to see all the sex abuse allegations that would have generated.) The video is clear that she resisted arrest and offered violence, so they should have let her go? If he followed training (and that is a simple yes or no question), why is there any kind of a problem?

risa77 said on November 20, 2009 at 8:30 AM

So I guess it's okay to assault a cop and resist arrest and the cop is not supposed to do anything? Just say, oh well, you don't want to be arrested so we'll just leave. Give me a break. the minute the cop turns his back he could be killed, but I guess that's okay, too.

ktb1516 said on November 20, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Of course..... a bunch of comments from people supporting a 12 year old girl, out at 11pm at night, swinging, punching, etc. officers. Maybe people should focus more on raising kids right so that we don't have to see this sort of thing. The officer did what he had to do. Apparently some of you aren't watchig the same video though.

janetfis said on November 20, 2009 at 8:34 AM

This girl was 12 years old! How much resistance could she have made against three cops? I am 100% in agreement with Chief Sizer. And the union rep is insane to think these cops should be able to get away with this. It is beyond excessive force! SHE'S ONLY 12!!!!

marley said on November 20, 2009 at 8:43 AM

First off this girl was warned...she was fighting and wasn't suppose to be on train at all...for what...for STEALING A PURSE! (PRIOR) Children these days are not being watched by their parents She's already a juvenile delinquent Its past 10 pm and probably never been disciplined other than from a judge. Kids these days including 12 years old carry weapons and she was already being feisty during this altercation. She deserved what she was handed...heck she asked for it. The officers did what they needed to do to get the situation under control. Way to go Officers you have my support.

corporatemom said on November 20, 2009 at 8:53 AM

Yes - the girl is 12 AND she is 5' 4 and 145 lbs! She is bigger than I am. Based on her actions at 12 (gangs, theft, out late) she needs to be put in a military school. If not-she'll be pregnant and have STDs by the time she is 15. The judge needs to step in & save her life. It's obvious her parents don't care. The cops did the right thing. This time - a bean bag from a cop - next time, a real bullet from a gang member

irritated said on November 20, 2009 at 9:01 AM

Seriously? How can we seriously blame police officers for doing what was clearly necessary to control the situation? Where are her parents? Why wasn't she at home? Sounds like this girl is a pilar of society. She is clearly destined to be a repeat offender, feeding off the tax payers in jail. Why not hit her with a dose of reality now, maybe she will straighten up. When criminals stop carrying guns and resisting arrest, then we can criticize law enforcement for taking whatever action is necessary.

mgambino79 said on November 20, 2009 at 9:14 AM

First of all, what does it matter where the parents were? They weren't taking care of the child, so moving past that fact, the lack of parenting doesn't absolve her of being responsible for acting like a civilized person. In this country, you do not hit police officers. Moreover, you do not hit people, period. End of story. We can't make excuses for an ill-behaved little girl and allow her to continue on with this type of behavior just because she was not "fortunate" enough to have parents who care. She's on a path of self destruction, and we should not be required to tolerate her violence and the potential danger she could pose to others. If I was an officer and had any idea that a person might have a deadly weapon, I'd be inclined to shoot her with a beanbag, too. She needs to have her posterior whipped and then she needs to learn discipline because she's going to be the "frequent flyer" in and out of jail and on wellfare when she's not in jail if she doesn't learn now.

brianavenger said on November 20, 2009 at 9:19 AM

Three cheers for the Chief! This police union seems to want to manage the Bureau.Well, that's not their job. We have a Chief and a Commissioner as well as the Mayor and the other civilian members of the council. This officer needs to go back for training or get off the force! Cowboy attitudes don't reduce threats, they increase them.

baronie said on November 20, 2009 at 9:20 AM

Should have Tazed her bro

cyclepete77 said on November 20, 2009 at 9:30 AM

I think I'd rather get hit with a single bean bag, then repeatedly with the night sticck or collapsible baton.... but still, she's 12...you can't force a 12 year old to submit, without the use of a weapon? You need more lessons on restraining holds.

kpportlandnormal said on November 20, 2009 at 9:39 AM

So if the officer had used grappling style techniques and slammed her to the ground to restrain her, would that have made everyone happy? No! Everyone would then be saying he used his muscles to body slam a poor innocent little girl to the ground. I think the officer did the right thing in this case.

benaround said on November 20, 2009 at 10:07 AM

Quote:" I think I'd rather get hit with a single bean bag, then repeatedly with the night sticck or collapsible baton.... but still, she's 12...you can't force a 12 year old to submit, without the use of a weapon? You need more lessons on restraining holds.." But restraining holds are no fun. You can't show how big and macho you are. Quote: "So if the officer had used grappling style techniques and slammed her to the ground to restrain her, would that have made everyone happy?" Look at the video they did slam her to the ground but that was not enough. Only one cop had any fun in that so the other had to find something to show the world how brave he is.

notsocasual said on November 20, 2009 at 10:33 AM

How many of you whiners about how the police are just bullies have ever carried a weapon in the line of duty? How many of you have ever had to look at every encounter as one more chance to never come home? How many of you have ever taken the time to do a police ride along, or would that burst your narrow minded bubble about how bad the police are? How many of you believe this was racial? How many of you would never in a million years lay down your life for someone else? KidsKeeper: If she struck her parents then she should be spanked and quite well and DHS should be kept the heck out of it. How many of you have dealt with a 150# angry 12 year old? Do we have a blood test on her to see if she is on drugs? Why is it OK for a kid to strike an adult in the face? Is it OK because he's a cop? What message does that send? And personally I think the chief need to do a little more patrol work.

ragness said on November 20, 2009 at 10:59 AM

To the city of Portland -- If you let this officer go you'll send a signal to all young kids who, with size and arrogant attitudes, that they can do, and take whatever they want. To the Officer -- If I was this officer, I would be making plans to move away. His past issues are going to be his undoing if he remains in the Portland area. To TriMet -- The public needs hear that a strong policy with clearly defined boundaries (for ridership and police presence) will be put in place. Annoucee it on the PA systems in the trains, do it in the mail, use the paper, nightly news, make it esdy for the public to remember. If you don't -- the public is going to read about another rider being pounded to senselessness by another young brat. Imho -- TriMet, you need to take charge of this, as your service passes thru and extends into many different boundaries and jurisdications.

rest_of_story said on November 20, 2009 at 11:09 AM

If they did a proper investigation and permanently relieved this officer from duty in the James Chasse case this most likely would not have happened. If 3-4 cops cannot contain a 12 year old girl without shooting her then they are not properly trained.

surah said on November 20, 2009 at 11:19 AM

I think it's sad. Her parents obviously don't care enough about her well being to see that she has anger problems. No 12 year old should be this angry - she obviously hangs around the wrong crowds. On a different note, she had it coming. You don't start fights with cops.

goldenfox8 said on November 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM

It hurts my heart to see a 12 year old girl treated this way. She is just a child!

urimbeciles said on November 20, 2009 at 12:17 PM

the video is just your lying eyes showing you a 12 year old perp who was clearly resisting arrest, "bagged" by a cop who never should have been in uniform, who should have been "tased" instead. this was no daddy's little girl. she never should have been "shot" bean bag or not. she was already down.

damsailor said on November 20, 2009 at 12:28 PM

Hurray for the Chief of police to have the courage to get this guy off the street. If three cops can't contain a combative 12 year old they better get jobs washing dishes.

stellarrat said on November 20, 2009 at 12:40 PM

I'm a little concerned with a police department that can't handle a 12 year girl without resorting to weapons. There was another incident a couple days ago where an officer in a different city Tasered a 10 year old. What's with these cops? Are they too wimpy to restrain a little kid? If that's the case they shouldn't be police officers.

justanothermind said on November 20, 2009 at 12:48 PM

I think fear played a factor here. Yet another demonstration by police on how to get your donuts faster. We see a lot of this these days; shoot first ask questions later. Every parent knows that even at home when getting a 12-yr old to do something they don't want to do by force you’re likely to get swinging and screaming, but these cops were complete strangers to her. Grabbing her was not the best way to go about detainment. Humphreys you are a disgrace to law enforcement and from the video perhaps getting to be a tad bit over weight for your job. I wonder what goes through a persons head when he takes a step back and takes aim at an unarmed person, how does that person justify firing any weapon bean bag or bullet. In this case hitting her anywhere but a muscle would have resulted in life threatening injuries. Since when is this OK you bunch of jokes. You are not policing, but running around thugging people, and in larger gangs now. Did I forget to mention... Legally

oregonpaul said on November 20, 2009 at 12:54 PM

To all of you who are trashing the police, be sure not to call them when ever you need law enforcements help. As for this 12 year old, she deserved what she got. If you dont respect the law and the officers, then they really dont need to respect you. I wonder if Sizermore really has what it take to be chief, seriously, you need to have the guts to get tough on criminals. I wonder if the crime rate would go down for second time offenders if Caning was a form of punishment. Yea it would hurt, but then it sure would make you stop and think about doing a crime again when you sat down. Kids want to play adult, then they get the adult punishment. But thats what this society gets for triing to make them grow up WITHOUT being held accountable for their actions. Hey Parents, do you know or do you care what your kids do? Dont blame the cops for your kids stupid actions, the life they may save might be your kid.

oregonpaul said on November 20, 2009 at 12:59 PM

ooops Sizer not sizemore.

justanothermind said on November 20, 2009 at 1:00 PM

What is America coming to. The nation we broke away from pre-1776. What happened to civil rights? What happened to peaceful police encounters? I challenge anyone to find some police death cases not involving some psycho who is fed up with the system that hunts down a cop and shoots him, but a legitimately well handled encounter that led to the death of an officer. You will sooner find many civilian casualties and police misconduct and brutality. This is a blatant abuse of authority and an abuse that is being defended by white collared folks whose dogs eat better than we do. So what if a 12-yr old girl was scared and fought back, she either one didn't know any better or two didn't care. Regardless she couldn't hurt anyone if she wanted to, especially a trained officer. Cowards with power

justanothermind said on November 20, 2009 at 1:14 PM

Kids will be kids and bad cops will continue to hurt or kill unless they are made to realize that some actions simply cannot be justified. A good example here as a unarmed, but upset, TWELVE year old got shot by a bean bag rifle. You ignorant police defenders, I know I was one myself, until it happened to me. Police are not the nicest people and have the tendency to make an elephant of a fly problem. Hurting civilians does not decrease crime rate nor does it help the criminal/justice pocket books. Learn you procedures, make sure they comply with civil rights, and do not use excessive force. AND YES SHOOTING A 12 YR OLD IS EXCESSIVE FORCE.

truthx2 said on November 20, 2009 at 1:17 PM

Interesting how differently people see this video. I see a cop grab a young girl by the arm & she's too far out of sight in the video to tell exactly what was action/reaction, then I see 2 cops on either side of her bring her down & her head slams onto the concrete. Here's my problem - how is it that 2 clearly large men, allegedly trained, cannot subdue a 12 year old girl w/o hitting her at close range? Humphreys isn't fit to be on the force; he's got major anger issues & needs to be fired. He's a horrible liability to the City and the community. Get rid of the idiot.

dodgeram said on November 20, 2009 at 1:41 PM

I did not read all the posts. I did read the story and heard the story and watched the videos on 12-8-2. A little 12 year old let's see five foot six inches plus tall, 150 pounds plus THIS WAS NOT A LITTLE GIRL. Ok she was at a party with gang members in east portland I would guess mexican "don't start with me I worked in the past at a underage mexican dance club that had 3 or 4 differant gangs that hung out there" most of you posters want the officer to be hung in the town square for doing his job also she did not resist arrest SHE ASSAULTED A COP.

workinmom said on November 20, 2009 at 1:50 PM

I wonder how many of you have a clue about law enforcement work. How would you have handled it? just let her get up and leave? she was resisting. I'm sure there a many ways this particular incident could have been handled, but until you've been in that position, shut up. oh ya, and when you need the police at your doorstep for an intruder, be sure to stop them at the door and tell them you would like them to handle this matter in a calm, submissive way and that you would prefer if they not use any force when apprehending the guy with the gun trying to kill you and your family. :)

gunmay said on November 20, 2009 at 2:21 PM

Dont resist arrest! And you wont be tazed, bean bagged or shot! I am sorry but where was the girls parents? If she is too young to act and be responable as an adult she should be under her parents supervision! I dont know how they cant get a bratty 12 year old to do what is told with out shooting her with a bean bag gun but obviously what ever they tried didnt work. So the next step would be the non-lethal form to take her down. At least it wasnt a bullet she should be counting her blessings! When are people going to realize they need to listen to authority!

gunmay said on November 20, 2009 at 2:22 PM

Workin mom Im with you!

lennj said on November 20, 2009 at 2:26 PM

Police just doing their job. Thanks. Out of control 12-year old. She is a BIG girl for her age. On a bus she was banned from, being out of control - needs to be punished. Got what she deserved. Wonder if she will think twice next time.

notsocasual said on November 20, 2009 at 2:29 PM

well, justanothermind, what we are coming to is a nation where we give criminals more rights than the victims. We tell little hellions they are "sweet and innocent and harmless" all the way up to the point where they "pop a cap" in some officer just trying to do his job and then we ask "just what was the officer thinking". That's the nation I see us becoming. You look at this event and see evidence of some "evil police state where people are just hauled off with no rights" while I look at this event and see the further eroding of societal norms and common decency where parents teach their kids that the police are either to be feared or to be fought but NEVER respected. Is it unfortunate that this 12YO got bagged? Absolutely. Is it the cops "fault"? Not a chance if I'm on the jury. The fault lies with the punk kid who either though she was "all that and a bag of chips" or decided that she would not accept her fate of having been excluded from MAX and threw a hissy fit.

harleyterry said on November 20, 2009 at 2:42 PM

Saltzman is a joke. He would prefer the officer wrestle with her so he could be charged with groping the pathetic excuse they call a 12 year old. The article states the officer responded to the incident at 11:00PM. What time is curfew for a 12 year old.? You will note I have not stated this individual was a 12 year old girl. There are numerous words that describe a 12 year old individual that acts they way this indicvidual did and girl is not one of them.

notsocasual said on November 20, 2009 at 2:52 PM

I have a question for you truthx2: How is it that supposedly educated people believe a 12 year old is incapable of hurting an adult? How is it that supposedly educated people don't think enough outside the box to see that if they had simply tried using "holds and grips" this little darling may have well cried sexual assault. How is that so many supposedly educated people believe the police to be the enemy and the criminals to be the victims? I have two challenges for you specifically: 1) Take a police ride along in the outer east side/Gresham area then tell me what you think. 2) Spend an afternoon in the shoot/don't shoot simulator and share your results. I wonder how many innocents you will ice and how many times you or your partner will get killed because you didn't react the right way. Then let's go tell your wife and kids you are dead because some kid you didn't think was capable of hurting you shot you in the face at point blank range. Just think of Damon Coates.

toomuchpower said on November 20, 2009 at 3:07 PM

too much power was given and the taken are using on juvilenile. If your kid hit you and you hit back then you automatically do jail??? Justice is so unjustice??

diver said on November 20, 2009 at 3:11 PM

I believe after viewing the clips that this 12 year old take is good sized the officer did the right thing. He used non lethal methods to subdue a violent offender. That is what the police are trained to do. This world is becoming to PC. People need to get a reality check. This girl needs to got to jail and the office needs to be commended for doing a good job in a dangerous situation.

patmcg said on November 20, 2009 at 3:21 PM

WAKE UP PORTLAND!!!!!!!! We need to act now. Too many mindless punks, like many of these posters, need to move out of their mother's basements, sell their star wars toys, get a job and act like a 30 year old with a brain. They need to stop with all the cop-hating mindless drivel that is spewed in this column and go out in the real world. they better bring pleanty of diapers. It's not Xbox, in the real world violent lowlife needs to be met with real grit, regardless of whether it's a fat violent 12 year old gang member attacking a cop. I could never be a cop, especially after reading how many of you are truely and totally clueless.

nwcamera said on November 20, 2009 at 3:30 PM

What amazes me is that far more people on this post seem to be way more worried about a POSSIBLE SOMEWHAT overuse of police force, than the fact that street gangs are taking over parts of the metro area, congregate in huge parties without much concern for any consequences, and that 12 year old kids are involved in this step towards anarchy. Violent gang activity is happening in the Portland area for ONE REASON: It is allowed to. If the political will existed to go medieval on these little jerks, they could still be brought under control. As things stand now, they are basically fearless of the police, and they know that if they do get arrested, they will get a nasty little slap on the wrist. It is only a matter of time until the gang problem here is as bad as in California. have you seen pictures of the ganag areas in Fresno? Fresno used to be a nice quite little town. Now the gang areas look like a cross between a war zone and a scene from Road Warrior.

ies25 said on November 20, 2009 at 4:41 PM

12 year olds who want to act like bad adults deserve to be treated like bad adults. The officer used leathal force within the guidelines of the Portland Police Bureau and the only damage the girl got was a bruise. The officer was punched, his badge ripped off, and not to mention all the scared people on the max train. As it stands now, there are officers who don't even want to take calls - calls they need to take to keep our streets safe - for fear of being reprimanded by a commander, ending up in IA or more. That doesn't make me feel like our tax dollars are at work.

jc1965 said on November 20, 2009 at 5:00 PM

Absolutely incredible...this 'kid' was out of line...she shouldn't have been on max nor should she have been out on the town...STOP enabling. She deserves what she got...it is truly unfortunate she is 12 years old, but you do NOT hit a police officer. I repeat - you do NOT hit a police officer. 12 year olds these days in situations like this with the obvious lack of parental care can look any age...She was wrong. Period.

dukestreet said on November 20, 2009 at 5:19 PM

When most of us think of our 12 year olds, we think of a certain amount of innocence and respect. A twelve year old that slaps a police officer in the face, obviously doesn't understand respect. If she could slap him, could she pull a knife or a gun? Police react to potential violence and/or safety issues. Should they review the tapes and take witness testimony? Yes probably. Does the officer deserve to lose his job, probably not - they are, afterall, entrusted to inforce the laws of our fair city. If a twelve year old thinks it's okay to slap a police officer carrying out his/her sworn duties, then the twelve year old ought to be treated as any other criminal.

magoos said on November 20, 2009 at 5:22 PM

What is a 12 year old girl doing at a party with booze and gang members anyway? Obviously she has been in trouble before or she would'nt have been banned from the MAX. All you people who are crying for this cops head...get a life! She got what she deserved. I guarantee she will be in prison by 18. And we all will be supporting her then! I hear her mother is looking for an attorney, what a joke! This so called parent should have her kid removed by CSD.

texwas said on November 20, 2009 at 5:24 PM

See what singing too loud in choir practice will get ya. Poor little darlings.

magoos said on November 20, 2009 at 5:38 PM

What is a 12 year old girl doing at a party with booze and gang members anyway? She obviously has been in trouble before or she would'nt have been banned from the MAX system. Totally out of control, assulting the cops is just plain stupid. She got what she deserved! Kids today have no respect for anyone or anything , yet they demand it for themselves. All you people calling for this cops head...... get a freakin life! I guarantee she will be in prison by 18. Then we will all foot the bill for her. I hear her mother is looking for an attorney, what a JOKE! This so called parent should have her kid removed by CSD, and charged with reckless endangerment.

last__boyscout said on November 20, 2009 at 6:00 PM

Any one that is surprised at the actions of this underage tramp must live in a cave. There was a time when respect was actually taught by parents (once called "a mother and father" in the home) and children were kept track of and not allowed to roam the streets with other losers and parasites. It's really no surprise considering these few examples, MTV is the standard parent, free condoms are handed out in the schools and the primary reason for so many loser kids are the loser parents. And by saying "loser parents" I'm being polite, these pathetic individuals can't take care of themselves let alone raise kids. The accepted standard parent is unmarried, uneducated,underage,unemployed and on welfare, doesn't know who the father or fathers are, and probably chose such a looser to hump that the kids are better off without him. And you are shocked that kids are turning out so screwed up? But remember,you can't spank your kid,you'll go to jail.

gtskorich said on November 20, 2009 at 6:00 PM

If I were to meet this "child" on the street, I would hope to have a police officer like officer Humphreys around to protect me in any way he determines is necessary. I am so sick of these young punks intimidating honest, hard working, tax paying citizens. What was this 12 year old girl doing on the streets at this time of night. If I treated any adult, let alone a police officer like this, my parents would have been cheering this officer, not getting a lawyer. I support his actions 100%. Would a taser have been better? 61 year old gramma of resepectful grandkids............

terry48 said on November 20, 2009 at 6:16 PM

If I met this "child" on the street, I would want an officer like Officer Humphreys to be around to protect me in anyway he decides is necessary. I am so sick of these young punks intimidating hard working, tax paying citizens. If that was me as a 12 year old, my parents would have been cheering this officer, not getting a lawyer. What is this "child" doing on the streets at this hour with known gang members!!!!!!! Would a taser have been better? 61 year old gramma of respectful grandkids...............

veganpeace said on November 20, 2009 at 6:26 PM

This innocent child is a victim of the social depravity of Bush/Cheney/Reagan and Roddy McDowell. Co-Presidents Shelly and Barack Henry Obama should waste no time in assuring that this helpless pre-teen has both ACLU representation, but also the safe cocoon of UN protection. They should also order the dismantlement of the PPB Union and arrest of their Neo-KKKon leadership for mocking Dan Saltzman's experience and use of force qualification analysis as a violation of the Geneva Convention and the Louisiana Purchase agreements. This sadistic incident is stark testament as to why all law enforcement should be disarmed and replaced with citizen Peace Patrols skilled in non-violent conflict resolution.

justanothermind said on November 20, 2009 at 6:30 PM

Some of you folks defending this obviously outrageous act by an officer already under review for violence disturbs me. I am a hard working respectable citizen and I was also like you once having full confidence in the decision making of law enforcement officers, even in some pretty bad outcomes I gave them the benefit of the doubt. Until it happened to me and my family I trusted all cops. Now my story is at every encounter they must demonstrate the professionalism of a trained uniformed officer to gain my respect. In the real world you don't demand respect or earn it by passing some 8th grade level comprehension exams and fly through some physical training camp. There is a lot of physiological fundamentals that simply cannot be ignored when you carry the weight of a badge, and you are enforcing the law. Like the reaction of a street urchin kid when grabbed by a stranger. What ever happened to civil communication. I seriously doubt her rights were even read to her.

nwcamera said on November 20, 2009 at 6:31 PM

veganpeace...I think she just needs a hug!

justanothermind said on November 20, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Stories like this don't have the same sting on folks that have never been abused by authority. I had to witness my pregnant wife get shoved to the ground by an out of control officer. This led to complications in her pregnancy. Nothing in the realm of logic or reason justifies his actions against my wife or my 50 yr old type 2 insulin dependent diabetic mother (got punched in back). I know that many officers serve the public and serve us well, but there will always be those that become corrupt with the power they are granted. It baffles me that these en and women are not even required to have a higher education, something that would serve them well in the field. Most of these young cops weren't perfect kids growing up either, so putting an uneducated and possibly disturbed young individual into a position of immediate authority over all is a recipe for disaster. I know some of the older more experienced officers would agree. Humpreys is not a good cop and a hazard to the force

patmcg said on November 20, 2009 at 6:44 PM

Recall Saltzman, fire Sizer, tell Westerman to shut up, give Humphries an office job and cut off internet access to all of you mindless idiots that think the cops should stop being cops.

gregs6078 said on November 20, 2009 at 6:45 PM

What are they going to do with a grown man or woman..shoot them with a real gun? Seems to be SOP.....RE: Chasse. They need more and better training, including the veterans. It is no longer okay to use excessive force...since the 70's!

gregs6078 said on November 20, 2009 at 6:47 PM

Sorry...they only beat Chasse to death..didn't shoot him.

twister said on November 20, 2009 at 6:50 PM

KGW, why can't you put all the facts on TV instead of make the Portland police look like the bad guy? I am not a fan of the policenecessarily however, they have a job to do. Let them do it. Hugs and kisses can't and doesn't fix everything. This "poor 12 year old girl" is known to hang out with gangs and known by the police for stealing a MAX rider's purse and no longer allowed to ride the MAX. Stop miss-representing the truth; stick to reporting the facts. Let the people make up their minds based on facts. You don't need to do the thinking for us...we are capable.

justanothermind said on November 20, 2009 at 6:55 PM

I recall a recent incident where some cops were chasing a bad guy and their dog bit the wrong guy. The man was defending his own home and the children in it. PATMCG you are ignorant to call opinionated individuals mindless. I am of the opinion that many cops are out of control and don't deserve to be cops. I have had to suffer through some recent events that simply reinforce this opinion. As for a cop defending me... I respectfully decline any services the police have to offer. I seen enough violence against innocence to last a while.

justanothermind said on November 20, 2009 at 7:00 PM

As for this case... just remember 12. Three trained officers should have been able to handle that a little better then the video shows.

jalek said on November 20, 2009 at 7:02 PM

He seemed to be carefully aiming, but she was on the ground and only needed subdued. I would've expected him to assist more in that way once she was down, rather than being fixated on where to place the bruise. That's really the only thing I see questionable, and that's all just a judgment call at the scene. The guy might have a point, I mean the alternatives were more wrestling and possible injury, spray, or tazer. He might be reluctant to struggle with someone on the concrete after the Chasse investigation.

dammitall61 said on November 20, 2009 at 7:20 PM

This is a classic example of why today's youth are so shiftless...because Portland says they don't have to respect authority.If they get in trouble, some flea-brained parents blame the teachers, the police, etc. for abusing their out of control thug-kid. I hear the girl's mama rushed right down to see a lawyer. Probably going to sue...way better than winning the lottery. That was predictable! Sue the police because the parents failed to do their duty to the girl? What planet are you living on that punching a cop is OK? What would YOU have done? Maybe someone ought to tase the parents for allowing the kid to be a menace to society. I'll wager a bet that the girl will be in juvy hall before long or in prison as a young adult. Way to go, Portland...side with punks, blame the cops for your misfit kids. Many parents can't manage their 3 yr. olds in public, yet you think this 12 year old is too frail to resist arrest? Get real! How long before ole' Al Sharpton flies in to get his face on ?

pdx2005 said on November 20, 2009 at 7:24 PM

And jalek- she was NOT on the ground when he shot. He fired, and THEN and ONLY then did she stop resisting and go to the ground.

patmcg said on November 20, 2009 at 7:25 PM

justanothermind,read your post you idiot, it confirmes my statement.....God, your stupid

sheba1 said on November 20, 2009 at 7:25 PM

Our tax dollars are going to police officers who can't handle a 12 year old girl. How many cops does it take to handle a 12 year old girl. Don't tell m how much she weighed or how tall she was this is just another disgrace to the police department of Portland. I commend Chief Sizer for finally standing up and doing somethng about it. The officer should be fired immediately and all officers who exceed their authority and are too quick to pull their gun and tazer people. This kind of brutality from the so called protectors of our city puts a bad name on other officers who are trying to protect the people. Unions have too much authority.

justanothermind said on November 20, 2009 at 7:33 PM

PATMCG if you misunderstood I apologize. I simply mentioned an unrelated example of how a civilian managed to protect his home... THEN police arrived and injured him. What did you not understand? As for you jumping to name calling and various assumptions as to my intelligence, you are certainly entitled to an opinion.

thebpg said on November 20, 2009 at 7:34 PM

When the first officer had this kid down on the ground why did the second officer run around trying to get a clear shot at her rather than helping the first guy? Thank God he had a bean bag gun and not a shot gun. I'm with the police commissioner except I would have fired the officer.

pearlcollector said on November 20, 2009 at 7:43 PM

So, how much more money does the City of Portland have to pay out to cover damage caused by this officer before it's enough already?

justanothermind said on November 20, 2009 at 8:00 PM

So the real world is so cruel and dangerous. Poor police they were at such a risk of being seriously injured by this violent gang member. Facts are still she was unarmed and on the ground when he shot her, you can never justify that. The difference between a reasonable person and a reasonably logical person could lie with individual circumstance. These cops no longer acknowledge circumstance but are treating each and every situation with as much force as they think they can get away with. It would be reasonable to assume necessity for precaution in the detainment of this young girl, however it would have been logical to realize that they did not need any firearms or other weapons to do so. This is just another event that for some reason was blown out of proportion but thank God did not end tragically, no tanks to the police. Humphreys has now been the common variable in two negative events spotlighted on Portland PD, this could be considered a light study of sorts.

patmcg said on November 20, 2009 at 8:04 PM

justanothermind, you confirmed my point again. but I see you are trying...

justanothermind said on November 20, 2009 at 8:15 PM

I do not understand your attachment to authority PATMCG. They do there jobs, yes, but not correctly when unarmed civilians are shot at, injured, or killed. Again I want to emphasize the lack of understanding capacity when one has not been enlightened by a personal experience. I have only experience to fund my judgment and this guy has got to be fired. He was not acting as a professionally trained official but more like a kid with a bb gun.

patmcg said on November 20, 2009 at 8:27 PM

It's really entertaining when a person tries to sound more intelligent than he really is....Thanks

justanothermind said on November 20, 2009 at 8:40 PM

Allow me to dumb it down for you... Cop shoots girl with bean bag gun at point blank range while other cop holds her on the ground. Not first time cop demonstrates violence while performing his duty. Some cops are obviously bad.

boringdog said on November 20, 2009 at 9:10 PM

I have an idea why don't all the police take the next two weeks off and let see how all these cry baby liberals handle these little innocent twelve year olds. Lets see they stopped schools from disciplining then parents now the police, oh my lord were just about in HELL. Wake up soon people or don't step outside because your letting our society crumble and it will take you with it. Good for the police getting yes another law breaking person into custody that yes assaulted the officer in the process, Hey Rosie why don't you go out to 162nd. and try your soft touchy feely approach with the rest of the liberals, well bring the body bags.

justguts said on November 20, 2009 at 9:26 PM

U.S. Supreme Court Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989) Held: All claims that law enforcement officials have used excessive force -- deadly or not -- in the course of an arrest, investigatory stop, or other "seizure" of a free citizen are properly analyzed under the Fourth Amendment's "objective reasonableness" standard, rather than under a substantive due process standard. Pp. 490 U. S. 392-399. (c) The Fourth Amendment "reasonableness" inquiry is whether the officers' actions are "objectively reasonable" in light of the facts and circumstances confronting them, without regard to their underlying intent or motivation. The "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, and its calculus must embody an allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second decisions about the amount of force necessary in a particular situation. Pp. 490 U. S. 396-397.

justguts said on November 20, 2009 at 9:26 PM

U.S. Supreme Court Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386 (1989) Held: All claims that law enforcement officials have used excessive force -- deadly or not -- in the course of an arrest, investigatory stop, or other "seizure" of a free citizen are properly analyzed under the Fourth Amendment's "objective reasonableness" standard, rather than under a substantive due process standard. Pp. 490 U. S. 392-399. (c) The Fourth Amendment "reasonableness" inquiry is whether the officers' actions are "objectively reasonable" in light of the facts and circumstances confronting them, without regard to their underlying intent or motivation. The "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, and its calculus must embody an allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second decisions about the amount of force necessary in a particular situation. Pp. 490 U. S. 396-397.

justanothermind said on November 20, 2009 at 9:29 PM

Hopeless... when violence continues to be resolved by violence. Is it so much to ask that these cops differentiate the difference between an encounter with an adult man or woman who is possibly armed at 162nd and the apprehension a 12-yr old girl off of the tri-met.

painretains said on November 20, 2009 at 9:51 PM

To himhandy A 5'7" 160lbs person who obviously swings first. Yeah fire an officer who has the stones too do the job her parents obviously haven't been doing. To schoen1 Repeating the idiocy of others in now way makes your stance any less idiotic only louder. To jesuswasmexican You my friend are racist, first off you assume she's from a minority and he's white. Secondly you assume that everyone that supports his actions are "rednecks". Oh and by the way rednecks is a racist term, so until you can control your own racist tendencies stop accusing others of it. Especially when these youngsters obviously need a firm hand in order to learn proper behavior in society. To urimbeciles You my friend suffer from delusional thinking. Officer Humphreys was doing his job in a stellar manner. If you had watched the video you would have seen he used the minimum force necessary to restrain a violent person. To sheba1 Wow have you watched or read anything? This "12 yo" was 5' 160lbs

painretains said on November 20, 2009 at 10:05 PM

To benaround: if they are twice her size then they have to weigh 320lbs and be over 10 feet tall, secondly the did try to restrain her that way after she hauls off and clocks one of them for no apparent reason. Secondly after she was on the ground she was still swing and resisting until the officer escalated force to the next appropriate step which subdued her after which she was compliant and they eased off. To sheba1: you're right not everyone has caring parents, that's still no excuse for a 5 foot plus 160lbs person to haul off and clock an officer in the face. If the parents won't step in and teach their children the error of miscreant behavior then the Peace Officers who keep our streets safe are going to be forced to deal with the behavior and stop it by the least forceful means possible. In this case least force meant that this delinquent had to take a beanbag in the leg. Maybe they'll have learned a lesson.

kaygeedub said on November 20, 2009 at 10:25 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,576028,00.html Today's national news...17 year old guns down border agent. Hmmm...gee...juveniles aren't dangerous, though...you people are ignorant. Juveniles will hurt anyone just as fast if not faster than an adult. They have no concept of reality or consequences. Humphreys - hang in there, man.

painretains said on November 20, 2009 at 10:37 PM

To corporateredneck: the person in question may be big enough and mean enough to take you out, but she's still only 12 so while she's probably had quite a few guys doesn't make you any less a perv. You're also racist for thinking that white people or to use your racist terminology "rednecks" would cheer if a person with more melanin was slain by Police. To howard_b: my dear anarchist you are the reason crime is growing in our nations cities. Your penchant for making violent criminals, such as this 5 foot 160lbs person, into the victims rather then the perpetrators only eggs them on and hampers the men and women who strive to keep you safe. Also don't talk to me about the land of the free, until you've watched friends die in combat like I have. Put up or shut up, better yet get out if you don't like what our sacrifices have given you. Not sure who you're calling a selfish mob, but you're right a dark age is coming and anarchists and socialists like yourself are the cause.

painretains said on November 20, 2009 at 10:56 PM

To mike007: I don't care if that person was 12 or 21 she was still 5 foot plus tall and 160lbs of violent aggression. A person who was breaking the law and instead of going quietly decided to haul off and start assaulting an officer. As for the "blood money" my guess is that the cowards in the Multnomah County Commission were too afraid to stand up for an officer who was acquitted. To nielg: You subdue a violently resisting person who weighs as much as your average adult male and fights like a wildcat. To mykidskeeper perhaps if you had watched the video you would have seen that two officers were barely enough to pull this 160lbs person to the ground and once down couldn't subdue her. Perhaps if you and other parents would use corporal punishment such as was used on the children who grew up to be this country's "greatest generation" we wouldn't be having a problem with 12yo criminals. Delinquent parents lead to delinquent children.

cinderella said on November 21, 2009 at 12:49 AM

Did you see how she was treating the police? Why was this 12 year old out that late alone, where were her parents? Per the news, mom couldn’t talk because she was on her way to get a lawyer. Can you say, sue happy! Who is teaching her right from wrong or to respect authority figures? It’s obvious, she was NOT taught. Can YOU tell the age of girls these days? 12 year olds look 25. If she had followed the instruction of the police, there wouldn’t be a problem. If your not doing something wrong, the police have no reason to bother you. If the cops have to explain every move they make, how long will it be before the 12-year-olds of the world are running amuck? She is a prime example. Get her counseling and parenting classes for her parents. I am getting really tired of hearing how bad the police are when they are just trying to do their job. If a cop tells you to stop...STOP! If they have to use force to stop you or protect them selves, who’s fault is it? Not theirs. LISTEN

oldman said on November 21, 2009 at 1:02 AM

clip 1 shows first officer either pulling the girls hair or otherwise pulling her head down twards the officers abdomen just before she took a swing. clip 2 shows the girl on the ground before the officer fired. you can see the bag bounceing off to the right. later another officer picks up that bag confirming what was seen bouncing and when we saw it.

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 2:17 AM

To unixpmp: Speeding is breaking the law, if you get a ticket for doing it it's your own fault for being dumb. To bistrka: you emphasize the fact that she's 12 and ignore the fact that she's as big as most young men who play football in highschool. You say you've been hit harder disc golfing, but were you on the receiving end of this larger girls blows? You're obviously not paying attention to the video in which it takes two officers to get this person on the ground and once down she was putting up such a fight that the officer couldn't control her until she'd been beanbagged. As for just shrugging and saying "Karma" if an officer gets stabbed in the eye, you do not deserve the the peace and stability law enforcement brings to our cities. Good thing those men and women continue to serve to the best of their ability no matter what anarchists and cop haters like yourself think or say. To rsthelen: first this was not a lady they were dealing with

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 2:27 AM

To rsthelen: first this was not a lady they were dealing with as her behavior amply shows. A lady, since you appear not to understand the concept, knows that there are standards of behavior, rules of law and sheer common sense. All of which this twelve year old criminal showed no signs of. In addition as I have pointed out this was not your average 4 foot something 84lbs little girl. This was 160lbs in excesses of 5 feet tall pure violence. You show us that you can subdue that and then we'll let you criticize the officers that the balls (as you say) to do their job even though they knew that ignorant weaklings like you and so many others would denigrate their fine job. To erjopa: a bully you say? Well then why was he quite restrained and professional when he first took her by the arm? How is it that until she swung on him he was acting just like we'd want any officer too? Bully indeed! The officer used no excessive force, merely the least he was forced to use by the criminal.

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 2:33 AM

To erjopa cont.: No matter how the officers were trained to view people they only escalated force when the perp forced them too. They were not rough with her until she swung on them. They did not shoot her with a bean bag until she gave them no choice. They even warned her multiple times that if she didn't stop they were going to shoot her. She had her chance many times over, she got what she richly deserved and maybe this will act as a wake up for the people of Portland at how degenerate the youth culture has become. Maybe people like you will stop pointing fingers at those who are doing their jobs to keep us safe and will instead help youths from becoming criminals like this girl. To veganpeace: Ah veganpeace where to start with the incredible steaming pile of nonsense that you're spouting? First off there is no such thing as "Co-Presidents", Michelle (not "shelly") did not run for office, she holds no office, she is the first lady nothing more nothing less.

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 2:42 AM

To veganpeace cont.: Secondly my addled friend President Obama's middle name is not hiram as you so absurdly and erroneously post. It's Hussein, Barrack Hussein Obama. As for a human rights violation? There were no human rights infringed on less it be the officers rights. How does restraining someone from assaulting others and resisting a lawful arrest constitute a human rights violation? The perp resisted duly appointed peace officers, ignored repeated warnings and suffered the righteous results. Brute is an apt term for the thuggish and criminal behavior of the perp. The officer on the other hand should be hailed as a hero. You want to take away peace officers weapons both lethal and non-lethal? I'm not even going to ask if you're insane since you've obviously shown that you are. If you take away their weapons then criminals who have and are quite willing to use theirs (which by the way are all lethal) will have no deterrent. They would love to have an environment where...

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 2:54 AM

...they had the only guns in circulation. Crime rates would skyrocket rather then plummet. The only thing that can stop a person who has and is willing to use a gun is another person with a gun. Ghandi's ideals however laudable are flawed by the simple fact that most people are not good. This criminal that resisted arrest is an obvious example. As for the money "wasted on law enforcement" if it wasn't for that then we would be swamped in innumerable cases of assault, burglary, murder, rape and countless other crimes. You are incredibly naive and ignorant, one wonders at your true age and whether or not you have ever spent a day in the real world working for you own sustenance or if you have only ever known mommy and daddy's money. To spewie: unless you can prove that the criminal in question was from a minority, and the officer in question was "white" any such allegations by yourself are nothing more then racists slander. Cease and desist.

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 3:02 AM

To janetfis: watch the video http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-videos/Video-Portland-Police-altercation-at-MAX-platform-70583777.html and educate yourself, until then please take your ignorance elsewhere. To brianavenger: interesting name brian what exactly are you avenging? Perhaps you wish to avenge yourself on the "cowboy cop"? If you had watched the video you would have seen that far from being some maverick who's quicker on the draw then in courtesy, he gave that little criminal every chance even after she started assaulting officers. Nor did he use his bean bag rounds till it was obvious that nothing else would subdue the violent youth in question. To cyclepete77: if you had watched the video you would have seen that they used restraining holds however sometimes those aren't enough unless you're willing to go all the way through with them and dislocate or break appendages. Would you have preffered that the officers had broken the perps arm? Snapped a wrist perhaps?

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 3:19 AM

To rest_of_story: This needed to happen. Now perhaps this young criminal will receive a proper sentence and learn a valuable lesson that will keep them out of jail in the future. In addition it highlights how badly Portland has treated it's youth when 12 year olds are in gangs roaming the streets at 11 o'clock at night. As for the officers training their actions in the video shows that it is quite good. They do not escalate force until there is no other option. They take into custody one suspect with no incident, they did everything right and no I'm not a police officer just a citizen who believes in law and order. I suppose since you obviously did not watch the video that your appalling ignorance must be chalked up to disinterest rather then stupidity. To goldenfox8: A youth in years, an criminal in behavior. A twelve year old is old enough to know right from wrong, this one clear chose wrong and suffered the just penalty for it.

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 3:28 AM

To urimbeciles: this officer who "never should have been in uniform" is rendering you and every other citizen of our fair city a great favor by removing such criminals from our streets. And while she may have been on the ground she was clearly not "down" as she was still swinging her fists and striking the officer. She was not truly "down" till after she was hit with the bean bag. To damsailor: watch the video before you make stupid comments please. To stellarrat: I don't know anything about the 10yo who got tasered but if you had watched the video you would have seen that this was no ordinary 12yo. If it had been an 18yo highschool defensive back which is about how big this perp is, was the one getting bean bag would you be upset? I doubt it. To justanothermind: you claim to have watched the video, but if you had or perhaps watched the entire video you would have seen that they did ask questions first and didn't fire until the perp gave them no choice. Thugs? Hardly...

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 3:42 AM

...These officers are using no more force then the criminals make them use. In fact these officers are the very model of restraint, only using non-lethal rounds when the perp gives them no choice. The fact that the discharge was from such close range should be proof that they were doing things right since from any further away the round could have struck the flailing criminal in a far more life endangering place or have even struck his fellow officer. He did the right thing and should have your gratitude not your vitriol. To justanothermind: In short anarchists and relativists like yourself are eroding our moral foundation. This leads to young and violent criminals like the one who cause this scene and people like yourself further the decay of our nation by turning criminals into martyrs rather then demanding they be brought to justice for all our safety. You do realize that those people who's dogs eat better then "us" (who's us by the way?) are more likely to be defending her...

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 3:54 AM

...inexcusable behavior then defending what you erroneously perceive to be an abuse of authority. So you're saying every 12yo girl who gets picked up by the police is going to resist arrest because she's to young to know better? I know that's not the truth especially since this particular 12yo is a known thief and most likely an active member in a gang. If she assaulted an officer because she didn't care then that's even more worrisome. If she doesn't care then what's to stop her from shooting an officer the next time she's caught doing something illegal? And the way she was swinging she could have easily broken a nose and if she'd had a knife, which isn't that unlikely for a criminal and gang member then she could have put an eye out or sliced open his carotid arteries and he would have bleed to death. Perhaps you didn't watch the video that was no "civilian" that attacked the officers that was a violent wild criminal to claim otherwise is absurd and borders on lunacy. No rights

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 4:02 AM

were violated and no procedures need to be changed. The Officers obviously only used the amount of force necessary to restrain a violent criminal and used no more then said violent criminal forced them too. And no shooting a large aggressive criminal who is resisting arrest and can be subdued by no lesser means is completely justified. Unless you're a cop hating, crime loving anarchist. To truthx2: you do realize that there's a video that shows the entire thing posted on this very site? And that one officer has her by the arm till she turns around and punches him directly in the face. This is not your average sweet little 12 year old this is 160lbs of fury and it's coming directly at you and your partner. It will not listen to reason and it takes both of you to get it on the ground. Once there this 160lbs of fury continues to attack your partner. What do you do? You do the only thing you can do and use a non-lethal round for it's intended purpose and you aim at the safest place..

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 4:12 AM

..you can. I saw no sign of anger or excessive violence from Humphreys on the video. What I did see was an officer give a violent criminal as many chance as possible to cease resisting before he did what he had to to safely end the fight. If anything he should have given a single warning and then fired. He does every peace loving, stability enjoying person credit and only someone who prefers anarchy and rampant crime would think otherwise. To toomuchpower: Are you even aware of what's going on or did you just read the headlines and assume you knew everything? The juvenile is a know criminal committing a criminal infraction who assaults an officer of the law. The officers tried using less forceful means but the criminal was so violent and large that the officers had no choice, less they wanted to severely injure the perp. To veganpeace: you again, you're boundless idiocy is astounding. First off the social depravity was not perpetrated by Reagan or Bush or any of the others as...

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 4:19 AM

...they advocated for the family unit, a father, a mother and discipline to raise good law abiding citizens. It is rather the actions of the so called progressives, socialists, and others who would tear down the family unit that have cause an environment that allows children to become violent criminals. Once again you mistakenly call them "Co-Presidents". Where in your obviously damaged brain did you come up with this ridiculous co-presidents idea? Also once again it's not "shelly", unless perhaps you're close family friends, it's the First Lady or Mrs. Michelle Obama. And again it's not Henry it's Hussein, Barrack Hussein Obama and if you don't like it to bad, but at least stop lying to yourself and everyone else. Now to the rest of your delusional ravings, this "helpless pre-teen" is a known criminal who assaulted duly appointed officers of the law and should have the book thrown at her. And why in the world would the UN have anything to do with domestic affair? Especially one

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 4:40 AM

I would ask if you even know what the word sadistic means or how it's used, but you'd probably just tell me it's found in Seward's Folly. To justanothermind: Your blatant disregard for a sign of gangs growing in our city and the fact the persons as young as 12 are not only part of these vile groups, but are themselves violent criminals, disturbs me. You also realize that anyone who applies to be a police officer is either required to have an associates or equivalent degree, or a high school diploma and a series of qualifying criteria. An 8th grade test doesn't cut it. Now the bit about civil communication, if you had watched the entire video you would have seen that she was escorted off the max and treated quite fairly, until for no visible reason she turns around and strikes the officer in the face. And please when applying labels try not to use misleading ones like street urchin when others such as violent criminal or known thief are much more appropriate and accurate.

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 4:48 AM

To justanothermind: I am sorry that you had such a traumatic experience and I'm sure there are less then honorable peace officers out there. After all they are merely human. However in this case the evidence is quite clear and quite public. It is also quite conclusive and shows that the officers did everything right. And I'm interested in how you know that some of the senior officers in the portland police bureau would agree with your statements. Also the officer in question is far from being a hazard and a bad cop. He did his duty and he did it well and he was justified in everything he did. Just cause you don't like law enforcement shouldn't blind you to the truth. To gregs6078: no they'd shoot them with a bean bag as well, since that is what the situation warranted. There was no excessive force as you would clearly see if you'd bothered to watch the video. Now go away and take your overly dramatic hysterics somewhere else.

oldman said on November 21, 2009 at 4:55 AM

It just come down to this... Was there a lesser form of control officer Humphreys had available?.....Yes all he had to do was reach down and help hold her legs while the other officer put some sort of restraints on her. I noticed earlyer officer Humphreys was dropping things out of his pocket. Maybe that is why he was reluctant to bend down. Also to go with the dashboard cam don't officers sometimes wear a wireless microphone? If he did maybe the audio is recorded somewhere. I would love to know what was said by that first officer as he was grabbing the girl's hair or head or whatever as he was pulling her head down twards himself before she took a swing.

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 5:01 AM

To justanothermind: you know what I'm getting tired of hearing you whine about how bad cops are. We know something allegedly happened to you involving a police officer that has soured you on the whole law and order bit. And yes you might be right about some cops being out of control. However that does not change the facts in this situation where they exercised the utmost control and used the minimum amount of force necessary. Oh and I'm sure that the police have better things to do then help an ungrateful person like yourself. Oh and the criminal in the video I saw was no innocent. You're a whiny fool now please just shut up. To sheba1: you are a rank idiot, that "child" is as large as those officers and strong enough to fling one of them off of her after she starts punching, go watch the video. If a person is as large as an adult you have to treat them as an adult otherwise you risk injury to yourself and others around you. They did their job and they used the least force..

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 5:08 AM

..they could. To pdx2005: she was on the ground but she was not down. If you watch the video closely her back is on the ground and she kicks an officer with both feet. To jalek: they were trying to subdue her unfortunately since she was on her back kicking at them it was impossible to do so until she was beanbagged. As for the taking the time to "place the bruise" as you put it. You wouldn't want him to hit an area that could have done serious bodily harm or to have hit his fellow officer. To thebpg: you ever tried cuffing someone? It's almost impossible to do with two people especially when they're putting up such a fight. Much easier and safer for everyone including the perp is to hit them with a beanbag so they stop resisting otherwise you might end up seriously hurting them. To pearlcollector: the city shouldn't be paying anyone for what this officer has done as nothing he has done has been wrong in any sense of the word.

news_junkie60 said on November 21, 2009 at 5:10 AM

Although I am no fan of Humphies, I support his actions. If Commissioner Saltzman would have been there, he might have seen things differently. Yet, all he is concerned about is his next election. He's not concerned that one of his officers was struck by, yes, a 12 yr old girl. That is called assault. Yet, the whiney *POLICE* commissioner is siding with an out of control 12 yr old and not standing up for the laws of the city or state. Saltzman needs to be removed as Police commissioner. He is ineffective. None of the commissioners or mayor are really representing the residents of the City of Portland. They all need to be removed from their office. But getting back to the story: The 12 yr old girl does not have a leg to stand on, legally. She was out past curfew, she was resisting arrest, she was trespassing. One has to wonder: Where were *her* parents!!! If she is in a gang, then she needs to be put into a safer environment. A gang is no place for a kid.

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 5:15 AM

To justanothermind: It was justified as she was still violently resisting arrest. Better to subdue her quickly and in the least damaging way possible rather then engage in a protracted fight in which she or the officers could have wound up seriously hurt. The violence of her resistance completely justified the use of a bean bag gun. The fact it didn't end in tragedy is because they give officers bean bag guns so that they have safe tools with which to subdue violent criminals with the least amount of harm all round. The only people making this negative are the imbeciles who have had no training in apprehending suspects, either as part of military training like myself or part of police training like that of the officers in question. Until you have had such training and experience please refrain from making any more whiny ignorant comments. To justanothermind: I'm with patmcg on this you are an idiot.

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 5:24 AM

To oldman: first off you bend down with a rifle/shotgun slung over your back and maintain positive control over the muzzle especially when you've got a lot of innocent people around you and you're trying to hold down a hyper aggressive assailant. Also how is the other officer supposed to put "some kind of restraints on her" when she is facing up, kicking and punching? In order to cuff someone you need them to be reasonably compliant as in not punching you in the face. The only way they could have achieved that with the violent young person was a quick bean bag round to the leg. Which by the way is the proper and safest place to shoot someone with a bean bag round. I don't understand how so many people fail to realize that this city has a major problem with youth and crime as this incident indicates. The police need to be commending officers such as Humphreys and cracking down on gangs and other youth related crime. While we as concerned citizens need to be reaching out to youths

painretains said on November 21, 2009 at 5:26 AM

who are growing up in area's and environments that increase the likely hood of them joining criminal organizations like the gangs. Once we as people take responsibility for lifting up our neighbors instead of relying on the government to do it for us and more importantly take responsibility for the raising and disciplining of our own children then we will see a drop in crime and with drop in crime we will see fewer incidents like this where a good officer gets maligned for doing his job properly.

willowfarm said on November 21, 2009 at 7:14 AM

This was a girl and two or three cops could not control her? get a grip, if they can't control a girl, how they going to protect you from anyone? Yes she was out of control, showed disrespect and resisted arrest, now go arrest the parents for allowing her to be out and not home.

pdx_man said on November 21, 2009 at 8:17 AM

I have seen the video. Sure shes 12 and you say why is a girl whos 12 getting the upper hand on three big men. Well maybe she was on PCP. That would give a 12 year old the power of an elephant. Being that she came from a party there was no doubt that she was high and or drunk. For the cop haters, take the max to gresham after dark, just remember from 102nd to gresham city hall your riding through the valley of the shadow of death. Oh well I remember when that was a decent area. Maybe a war will break out in east portland and the police can take a holliday. As for violent 12 year olds. Years ago on the bus I saw kids this very age throwing hard objects at a woman on a bus who was in her early 80's hitting her in the head. As for my ability to tolerate this I had the driver stop the bus and threw em off my self as a normal person and not a cop. Used to be a day and age when we knew how to do the right thing. Common sense is the only thing thats not excessive these days.

spewie said on November 21, 2009 at 8:38 AM

'Chasse' was mentioned at least five times yet the police action involved did not involve him. Now that's good journalism KGW. And why no names or pictures of the arrested perps? I'm guessing they're not Caucasian, right???? Si Se Puede!

corporatemom said on November 21, 2009 at 8:50 AM

1. WHY is a 12 yr old out at 11 pm???? 2. She was with a large group of kids that are gang members 3. She was kicked off trimet property earlier - for theft 4. She was beating on cops 5. Oh - she is 5'4" and 145-160 lbs (heard different weights) - she's not a petite, fragile child 6. Appears she was under the influence of something.... Come on - the police did their job. She is luck that this time it was only a gun with a bean bag. Next time it could be a real bullet from some gang member's gun.

theoldrebel said on November 21, 2009 at 9:11 AM

Now that Dan Saltzman has effectively destroyed Chief Sizer's authority as chief of police, maybe he'd like to take over the department too. What a load. This is politics, impure and simple.

gladileftpdx said on November 21, 2009 at 9:21 AM

Is the city going to wait until this policeman murders another citizen? Get rid of him now. Or do they like paying out large settlements from lawsuits? I think his stress might be self-inflicted.

rdrider said on November 21, 2009 at 10:45 AM

When you first hear "12 year old girl bean-bagged" it sounds pretty bad..until you see the video. This girl is tall as an adult,quite strong, and was wildly violent. It was all the police officers could do to subdue the girl without seriously hurting her. I think the police did what they had to do to m,ake the arrest.

linda79 said on November 21, 2009 at 10:53 AM

Hmm, 3 grown men v. 1 woman. Needs a weapon to subdue her. Let's see. Stress disability claim: poor baby can't handle the fallout of his actions. Sounds like the reaction of a bully to me.

davegh said on November 21, 2009 at 11:01 AM

Lets see now, A 12 year old 165 pound 5 foot 7 girl is completely out of control, slaps the face of a police officer and the public is outraged at the behavior of the patrolman. Why was this girl out at 11:00 pm? What was her behavior prior to being banned from the max. What kind of parent lets their 12 year old kid be out at this hour? To the Portland Police Officer's Thank You for doing your job, if you need a donation for this Officer's representation, please post on here with an address. I will gladly support you.

nwcamera said on November 21, 2009 at 11:03 AM

TO painretains: FYI: VEGANPIECE used to be Straightshooter. The posts are identical in style. Most of us have come to the conclusion that he is engaging in the theatre of the absurd, or attempting to discredit the left wing perspective by thoroughly lampooning it. Or maybe he's channeling Karl Marx, Mao and Ken Kesey all at the same time. I don't think all the freshmen at Reed combined could come up with that stuff in real life!

davegh said on November 21, 2009 at 11:08 AM

To The Portland Police Officer's, Thank You for doing a difficult job. If you need a donation to help represent this Officer, please post an address on here. Thanks

froghair1960 said on November 21, 2009 at 11:39 AM

I agree with davegh. The kid is an out of control brat. I have a 12 year old Granddaughter and trust me 12 is a tough age. They are not kids anymore and not teens or adults either. They need guidance. But in todays society many children grow up in one parent families. And if they are lucky enough to have a two parent household both paretns have to work to support a family. So there is no guidance. I have seen a teen kick out the rear window in a police cruiser. I have seen a 15 year old kid bust a window at a store I was working at because the clerk refused to sell him cigarettes. Our police officers have a RIGHT to prtect themselves and us from DANGEROUS ou of control (and often drugged) people. Come on people common sense.

jeepn4us said on November 21, 2009 at 12:16 PM

For those that think it is easy to take down a teenage with out hurting them or yourself. Try going to a police training class and see how well or not you do. You think it is easy? The police made the correct actions to reduce the injuries that could had happened to them or the teenage. JUSTIFIED!

veganpeace said on November 21, 2009 at 12:52 PM

nwcamera: Your analysis as to my former Straightshooter identity is right on the mark. As for lampooning the left wing perspective by attempting to discredit it, how could I ever top a real left- winger on being absurd? Too bad Painretains can't figure out the satire all by himself. That of course is what makes my efforts all the more entertaining.

jaded said on November 21, 2009 at 1:10 PM

I havent seen any posts here regarding Clackamas County Sheriffs Sgt Damon Coates. For those that dont know or remember, in January of 2003 he responded to a call of an out of control 15 year old Nick Teixera. As the Sgt approached, the poor little misunderstood teenager pulled out a gun and shot Sgt Coates in the face, nearly killing him, ending his career instantly, and forever affecting him, his family, andf his coworkers. Im not sure what the exact height and weight of this criminal was, but it doesnt matter.. If you get on the city of Portland website you can email the policing expert Dan Saltzman on your thoughts to suspend Officer Humphries. This issue brings out passion on both sides, I realize that, but public safety is an expectation in a civilized society. Our locarl police departments are very professional and too often criticized here in the media and by people who, well, its not really clear what they want, certainly not laws that we all agree to live by.

graham said on November 21, 2009 at 1:50 PM

Stress disability claim oh poor cop. The only claim he should get is shot in the back with a beanbag. If this cop is so dtressed why does this jerk have a gun

lauriannni said on November 21, 2009 at 1:53 PM

I think there are too many cases where police are accused of excessive force that people respond very adversely to without knowing all of the facts. I hear that so often that I find it very offensive. For people who have that black and white thinking, I hope they NEVER call the police for any reason. I am sick of that. It is a case by case deal. In this case, the girl had been told not to ride this again, and there she was. I think she set herself up for repercussions. I don't much care that she was 12. She is big enough a person to subdue if needed, and it does look like she was putting up a fight. On the other hand, it looks like there may have been enough help to handle this in a different way, and the "close range" bean bag was likely too close. I do not like the recent politics of the police commissioners. I wouldn't want to be the police chief, Ms. Sizer, as she is in a precarious spot. I hope she can be impartial enough to be fair to her own troops.

jersue96 said on November 21, 2009 at 2:06 PM

I don't know what he is complaining about, HE IS ON PAID LEAVE WHILE THEY INVESTIGATE. How many other innocent people at work have been fired and no investigation launched? Quite a few, I am sure those who say they did nothing wrong like this officer is stating would have been over the moon to be paid while a investigation was taken place. It seems like this is not his first time down this road. I am not going to judge. I think it is fair to wait and see what comes of the investigation. YOU OUGHT TO BE COUNTING YOUR BLESSINGS OFFICER THAT YOU ARE BEING PAID AT THIS TIME, WHILE THERE ARE SO MANY OUT OF WORK AND THEIR BENEFITS HAVE RUN OUT.

last__boyscout said on November 21, 2009 at 2:50 PM

Another win for the good side. There is a small (very small) chance that this oversize kid may learn something, or more likely the PC crowd will defend her gang inspired acorn like behaviour. The same people that support this pos are the same ones that refuse to call Malik Nadal Hasan a terrorist after he shouted the typical Muslim gibberish before murdering over a dozen American (non Muslim of course) soldiers. And there's no doubt Barack Hussein Obama would stand on the side of the gang member and would likely call the police officer a "stupid cop" like he has done in a recent situation. Was that an Obama sticker on her mom's car?

last__boyscout said on November 21, 2009 at 5:07 PM

As for the news story the we are not allowed to comment on as of yet "Hillsboro police kill man in shootout after wild chase" ..all I can say is" good job Hillsboro police!". Another pos parasite permanently out of commission. Good work.

newsflasher said on November 21, 2009 at 5:29 PM

the people at Faux News are reporting this! you wonder if there is anything to it?? "Faux News is reporting the following: PPB's Brett Burton may have been overheard saying the following at the Central Precinct's Locker-room...."...oh my Gawd!...I ain't going near any bus now, for look what happened to Christey, and we all know Kyle "Not-so-Nice" Nice isn't going to be thrown under any bus due to his powerful friends in powerful places....I'm next!!!!!!....oh my Gawd!...." And so, the beat goes on.... WE JUST REPORT IT, YOU DECIDE! (Bad Robot reporting 4 FAUX NEWS)"

fittergal290 said on November 21, 2009 at 7:13 PM

What I want to know is WTF was a 12 yr old girl was doing out at that hour of the night? It was pretty late, I live just north of where the party was that she was attending, and I couldn't HELP but notice when it broke up with all the screaming and yelling, but really....why was she out running the streets at that hour?

hero8 said on November 21, 2009 at 9:18 PM

The CHIEF should be ashamed. She has lost touch with the job and doesn't know the policies she has in place to PROTECT bystanders, police officers, and suspects. The MEDIA should be ashamed. They violate a journalism code of ethics they learned in college. Quotes are unevenly represented, story leads are sensationalized. Many Portland CITIZENS should be ashamed. This officer did his job! He protected everyone involved. The use of the bean bag was ABSOLUTELY right. Having to struggle with the girl could have resulted in more serious injuries. It makes me so sad to read comments that dare say or even insinuate that this officer deliberately targeted this girl. Like my husband, he goes to work everyday leaving behind his spouse and children in an effort to serve his community. Officers are heroes. Someday when you are in need, no matter how awful of a thing you said on this blog, they will STILL come to help you...no questions asked. Think about that, next time you call 911.

nwskeptic said on November 21, 2009 at 9:48 PM

She may be 12, but she is adult sized (she is taller and weighs more than my wife) - she was already excluded from Tri-Met, and punching and kicking police officers. I can't believe anyone would defend this. I know there are a lot of cop haters out there - but what you are asking the police is going to get them killed. When someone looks adult size is fighting them, they need to do what they need to do to stay safe. I don't get what has happened in society where you fight the police.

masher said on November 22, 2009 at 8:42 AM

Teachers all across this country go to work in schools with children who are bigger and stronger than them. They do it without guns, without pepper spray, without tasers and without bean bag launchers. Across the hall from my classroom is the behavior disorder program. Almost every day, students respond to requests to do their work with screams, kicking, throwing furniture and throwing punches. The teachers and assistants (mostly female) are expected to subdue them WITHOUT VIOLENCE. Why can't we expect the same from our police officers?

fittergal290 said on November 22, 2009 at 8:48 AM

Why is this girl's mother not behind bars? What kind of mother allows their 12 year old daughter to run wild in the streets? I'd have been grounded for a very long time after my behind got "blistered" if I'd have pulled such a stunt. [Yes, I was spanked as a child. Never abused. I doubt that if I was 'spared the rod', I would have the respect for boundries that I now have.]

lauriannni said on November 22, 2009 at 10:51 AM

The schools who have programs for behavior disorders do not allow kids of any age to just beat up other students and teachers. There are police in a lot of these schools now. (School resource officers.) My girlfriend, who teaches such a program, was told in her application process that she had to have the capacity to restrain a child if needed. It is proposterous to expect a teacher to "subdue" someone like this 12 year old when she is assaulting someone. Another thing, it is often difficult to assertain a person's age while in the middle of a crisis. I don't believe it is reasonable to ask for I.D. to see if a person is old enough to have a bean bag to the thigh, in a circumstance that did not afford that opportunity. 12 year olds can look much older, so that is a challenge. I do remember Damon Coates, and that is a tragedy that still haunts police officers, as well as citizens like me. It was horrific, and done at the hand of a 15 year old.

scurvyboy said on November 22, 2009 at 4:43 PM

WOW!! A job where all you have to do for paid time off is shoot a 12 year old girl! That beats the requests and paperwork most of have to do for time off. Where do I sign up?

suzeiki said on November 22, 2009 at 6:17 PM

Why is it that every police officer who gets investigated files a disability claim? And, why do the taxpayers give these employees a blank check for the rest of their lives?

last__boyscout said on November 22, 2009 at 6:23 PM

Just to add fuel to the growing fire, I'd wager that the supporters of the oversize girl likely voted for Obama, if you don't understand the connection, you never will.

topazgirl said on November 22, 2009 at 10:40 PM

I understand that the police have a difficult job keeping the peace, and at the same time avoiding brutality, but in this case they utterly failed!! I don't care if this girl was "large" for her age, she was still just a hysterical child! With all the cops involved in this apprehension, it is a sad state of affairs that all of them together could not control and subdue a 12 year old girl! Officer Humphreys, in particular, is out of control!! This man should be removed from the streets, and relieved of his job immediately! There was no weapon involved in her actions and Humphreys used excessive force, over and above what was called for, and what the police are trained....This cop is a danger to the community and his fellow officers!! Commissioner Saltzer and Chief Sizer were exactly correct in their assessment of this officer, and in their decision to remove him immediately......Scout: Your remark about Obama is NONSENSE!...And you are right; I see NO connection, and NEVER will!

topazgirl said on November 22, 2009 at 10:49 PM

'Scout:....ACORN?!.....You used to make sense, but now you are starting to sound like the rest of the Right-Wing Fringe! This is really beneath you! What's up?....

topazgirl said on November 22, 2009 at 11:14 PM

Vegan!? Hunee!!...you did not really say that the Left-Wing is absurd!?! Please tell me this is not true! Did I misunderstand?!...I usually "get you", but I must admit, I am a bit confused!! Please explain......<3<3...Top-g....

cinderella said on November 22, 2009 at 11:49 PM

Dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn’t. If he had held her legs down like many thinks he should have, they would be saying “To many men, to much force” The police are trained….or YOU? Were YOU there? You watch a video and make judgment. You’re a doctor and I work in an office, please let me tell you how to do your job. That should go well. I raised 2 girls and I taught from a very early age right from wrong. I know they broke rules growing up, but NEVER anything like this. I was involved with my kids and knew who they were with and where they were. I knew the parents of their friends. Send her to boot camp and let them train her, because her parents sure haven’t.

davidj said on November 23, 2009 at 6:52 AM

I think all adult citizens should be issued bean bag shotguns. It would make dealing with others so much less complicated. If two well trained police officers cannot restrain an unarmed 12 year old girl without the use of a firearm then something is amiss with our police training.

himhandy said on November 23, 2009 at 8:32 AM

Oh No, the officer is stressed out shooting 12 year old girls.... how sad. Obviously the supporters of this cop voted for McCain. Right Boy Scout?

corporatemom said on November 23, 2009 at 8:38 AM

This "girl" is 5'4" tall and weighs between 145-160 lbs - there are grown men that are that size. If the police offer would have used his hands to touch her - then she would have claimed sexually assult. (you KNOW it would have happened). When a person is under the influence (and it was reported that she was)-she can get out of control. This girl is bigger than I am. She is lucky - this time it was only a bean bag. Next time it could be a bullet from another gang member. Time to get her off the streets and get her some discipline. If she is this out of control at 12 (out late, theft, getting kicked off Max, hitting cops, resisting arrest......... image what a pleasure she will be at 15 or 16.

smart1 said on November 23, 2009 at 8:45 AM

himhandy, I didn't vote for McCain but I sure would not have voted for BO. To bad we didn't have a choice but BO is a joke and will be out by 2012

himhandy said on November 23, 2009 at 11:11 AM

Stress really? How traumatic for the officer. Well lets pay him for a few months, he can sit at home and watch cops re-runs and see if he feels better. Sorry If I don't want to live in a fascist police state. As far as the 2012 election who you got? ...........

caffineaddict said on November 23, 2009 at 11:29 AM

Agreed himhandy.

topazgirl said on November 23, 2009 at 2:06 PM

"Mom: Absolutely! I agree...this kid was totally out of line; and she will probably be an ongoing (and escalating) "problem" in the future if some type of intervention doesn't happen in her life....But this is not about HER, as much as it is about how our Police Force does their job! Why is it THIS cop all the time?! Is it a coincidence that his name seems to come up (MORE than any other police officer!) when physical force in apprehending a suspect is concerned!. BOTH incidents (this one and the Chasse incident) involved OTHER officers as well as Humphreys, yet HE is the one singled out for the "abuse"....This part of the job seems to be the part that he relishes the MOST; and THAT really concerns me! If he'd taken the time to put down that beanbag gun, and HELPED the other officers, this could have gone down in a less violent manner! But he didn't...from the video, it appears to me he was just waiting for his chance to use it! This guy is a loose cannon, and needs to be GONE now!

washcomom said on November 23, 2009 at 2:28 PM

I almost wonder if the mom and/or dad is out of the picture a) due to the fact that she/he is either working or b) in jail her/himself. Most of the time, children who are this violent come from violent homes and/or abuse. It's that horrible cycle that keeps going on and on and on from generation to generation until someone decides enough is enough. Since there were male police officers tending to her, they could not "grip" her like a man, so I do understand the level of using the beanbag gun to "snap" her out of her 2 year old tantrum. Still...she has a long way to go to regroup and get back on the right track. So - What would YOU do if this child were yours? What kind of disciplinary actions would you create so she would correct herself?

shallowend said on November 23, 2009 at 4:08 PM

Topaz: You need to address the officer's training, not the officer. They are trained never to surrender a weapon (or put it down). If he was trained to shoot the leg, then he did nothing wrong. Saltzman and Sizer (there a good name for a dance team), need to be more specific of what disturbs them. If he violated raining, then that is a different story. but they should come out and say so. What they are trying to do is "re-try" him for the Chasse incident in the media and in the court of public opinion. As to his enjoying the job, I couldn't care less. As long as he follows training, procedure, and policy, he can enjoy to his heart's content. I really think this is more about scoring Political points then about how he did his job. That being the case, I don't think the stress complaint is out of line either. If you boss was unfairly singling you out for blame, wouldn't you be stressed?

topazgirl said on November 23, 2009 at 5:10 PM

Shallowend: From what I understand, this beanbag gun is supposed to be used from a distance of 20 feet...this appeared to be a direct shot within 6 inches to a foot at most...I believe that a Police Officer that "enjoys" using his weapon, or being physical in apprehending an offender tends to have personal issues that should NOT be brought to work! I don't think his "boss" needs to single him out...he is doing a good enough job of that HIMSELF!! I totally understand and respect the difficulty police officers have in carrying out their jobs, but I FIRMLY stand on the believe that THIS cop is a time-bomb ticking...His credibility is shot to the point that he will not be able to satisfactorily perform his job, and I, for one, don't trust him on the streets. If stress is a problem, he needs a desk job!!

news_junkie60 said on November 24, 2009 at 8:24 AM

This story shows two things that need fixing. *HOW* we go about fixing them will show which side "wins". Chief Rosie Sizer has removed the officer from our streets. Yet, that is only part of the issue. The other piece of the story is the *actions* of the young woman, and I use that term very loosely. The young woman was, in my view, out of control. There was no way she was going to do as she was told by the officers on the platform. They used enough force to subdue her and put her in custody. The video alone, shows that they (the officers) were only doing the job that we pay them for. Before the officer goes back on the streets, my guess is that he will get extensive re-training into the proper "use of force" as determined by the situation. The judgment of the young woman, the officer and Chief Rosie Sizer are all under a huge microscope. This story will repeat itself if none of the three address the situation head on. Here's to hoping for a better outcome!

smokeykeita said on November 24, 2009 at 4:43 PM

Portland Police Dept. had to pull officer Humprey off the streets this guy just killed an innocent Portland citizen not even 2 years ago. The police are suppose to Protect the citizens of Portland simple. Now I watched the RAW VIDEO and I agree with Cheif Rosie Siezer in order to protect the CITIZENS she had to take him off his job so that she investigate . what I saw was 2 to 3 officers on the max platform 1 walking around with what looked like a Bazooka Gun . Max train door are open other officer enter the Max train patron start comin off the Max, the young lady walk out the Max her back was turned, and someone grabbed her hand, which was one of the officers it appears she pulled her arm back within mili seconds commotion starts with the police less then 30 sec. later humprey's shoots her with his Bazooka Gun . This is why he is on leave . they did nothing to bring civil order and the totality of the event did not call for him to shoot her with a bean bag it hurts!!!!

smokeykeita said on November 24, 2009 at 4:50 PM

they could have handled the situation differently number one. And it appears to be connected to what had happened at the 42nd ST. Max station about a week ago involving a totally different group of teens. So they used her as a Example to plant fear in the other teens in Portland . No , that not right and they were to forceful that was a little girl 12 years old . come on now Portland !!